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| Quote: Sal Paradise "If Mullally is not good enough for Huddersfield what makes anyone think he is going to add any value at Leeds?'"
To be fair, it's not exactly that he is not good enough for them. It's only because he is leaving them anyway.
That said, I said at the time I would have rather have taken Smith, and Huddersfield went and made that same move.
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| Quote: Gotcha "To be fair, it's not exactly that he is not good enough for them. It's only because he is leaving them anyway.
That said, I said at the time I would have rather have taken Smith, and Huddersfield went and made that same move.'"
Even before the move his time in the team was limited. Teams seldom let their best players go unless its due to financial issues or NRL calling not sure Mullally falls into eitherof those two categories
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Even before the move his time in the team was limited. Teams seldom let their best players go unless its due to financial issues or NRL calling not sure Mullally falls into eitherof those two categories'"
Leeds & Kyle Amor???
Also Hudds didn't let him go as they offered him a new deal, he opted to turn that down to join Leeds.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Leeds & Kyle Amor???
Also Hudds didn't let him go as they offered him a new deal, he opted to turn that down to join Leeds.'"
Are you suggesting Amor was one of Leeds' best players before we released him? Or are you saying you think Mullally will turn out as good as Amor? Amor was very highly regarded before he came to Leeds but that promise didnt deliver for whatever reason the same cannot be said of Mullally
What kind of deal did the Giants offer him? Maybe the kind of deal that indicated his future lie elsewhere?
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| I thought Mullally was very highly regarded before Hudds signed him after an impressive stint in Aus, I remember it being seen as a bit of a coup from Hudds when they signed him.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Are you suggesting Amor was one of Leeds' best players before we released him? Or are you saying you think Mullally will turn out as good as Amor? Amor was very highly regarded before he came to Leeds but that promise didnt deliver for whatever reason the same cannot be said of Mullally
What kind of deal did the Giants offer him? Maybe the kind of deal that indicated his future lie elsewhere?'"
No I'm not saying Mullally will turn out as good as Amor.....but then again who knows, he might turn out to be a great bit of business by Leeds or he might make Ben Cross look like Jamie Peacock.
But I'm going to the take the highly radical step of actually waiting to see how he performs for Leeds until deciding if he's a good signing or not.....I'm not however going to start walking down the path of deciding he's going to be a poor signing for us because of his current situation with Huddersfield.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "No I'm not saying Mullally will turn out as good as Amor.....but then again who knows, he might turn out to be a great bit of business by Leeds or he might make Ben Cross look like Jamie Peacock.
But I'm going to the take the highly radical step of actually waiting to see how he performs for Leeds until deciding if he's a good signing or not.....I'm not however going to start walking down the path of deciding he's going to be a poor signing for us because of his current situation with Huddersfield.'"
You are entitled to that position my view is hasnt shown anything at Huddersfield to suggest he will be anything but an average squad player. Which is all he is now in what most on here consider an inferior squad. Based on that not show how he will make Ben Cross look like JP. Garbutt is another matter
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "You are entitled to that position my view is hasnt shown anything at Huddersfield to suggest he will be anything but an average squad player. Which is all he is now in what most on here consider an inferior squad. Based on that not show how he will make Ben Cross look like JP. Garbutt is another matter'"
Your initial damning of his chances at Leeds stemmed from Hudds letting him go and why would they do that???.....Reality is you probably shot your load too early and didn't know it was a swap deal and probably the only way they could get Smith now was to give Wakey Mullally for the rest of the year.
Pretty understandable thing to do with Mullally leaving them anyway and doesn't actually reflect on Mullally's abilities, just his current contract situation.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Your initial damning of his chances at Leeds stemmed from Hudds letting him go and why would they do that???.....Reality is you probably shot your load too early and didn't know it was a swap deal and probably the only way they could get Smith now was to give Wakey Mullally for the rest of the year.
Pretty understandable thing to do with Mullally leaving them anyway and doesn't actually reflect on Mullally's abilities, just his current contract situation.'"
Not at all - I don't see Joe Burgess being swapped around, bet Myler and Bridge get selected at Warrington, don't see Mosee being traded with anyone. Scott Dereau another. All these guys are on their way to other clubs and the're getting a game every week!! Perhaps its you that's spilt the jizz?
More to do with his place in the pecking order at the Giants i.e. pretty low down and his lack of genuine quality when compared to Huby, Crabtree, Ta'ai and Copzack. Hardly huge competition is it really? If he isn't good enough to force his way in against those guys then is he really good enough for us? When the Giants would rather have Dan Smith than him then again is he really good enough for us or is he another Yates, Feather, Cross, Kirke, Bailey i.e. a pretty average squad player that shouldn't be anywhere an elite club's squad?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Not at all - I don't see Joe Burgess being swapped around, bet Myler and Bridge get selected at Warrington, don't see Mosee being traded with anyone. Scott Dereau another. All these guys are on their way to other clubs and the're getting a game every week!! Perhaps its you that's spilt the jizz?
More to do with his place in the pecking order at the Giants i.e. pretty low down and his lack of genuine quality when compared to Huby, Crabtree, Ta'ai and Copzack. Hardly huge competition is it really? If he isn't good enough to force his way in against those guys then is he really good enough for us? When the Giants would rather have Dan Smith than him then again is he really good enough for us or is he another Yates, Feather, Cross, Kirke, Bailey i.e. a pretty average squad player that shouldn't be anywhere an elite club's squad?'"
You might be right....I know nothing of him really, but don't players fall out with their coaches for differences of opinion/reasons not connected with their actual abilities? Shaun Lunt for example (he didn't turn out too bad did he?) and of course Adam Cuthbertson
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| Quote: Sal Paradise " When the Giants would rather have Dan Smith than him then again is he really good enough for us or is he another Yates, Feather, Cross, Kirke, Bailey i.e. a pretty average squad player that shouldn't be anywhere an elite club's squad?'"
That's the thing David, you need a squad and there's a salary cap so you can't fill that squad with players of JPs quality and stature. You simply can't fit them all under the cap.
So clubs will have to take chances on the likes of Yates and Mullaley and hope they find a Chris Hill or an Alex Walmsley. They won't hit on them all but f they;re squad players rather than first choice then it's not a disaster if they don't pan out.
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| Quote: G1 "That's the thing David, you need a squad and there's a salary cap so you can't fill that squad with players of JPs quality and stature. You simply can't fit them all under the cap.
So clubs will have to take chances on the likes of Yates and Mullaley and hope they find a Chris Hill or an Alex Walmsley. They won't hit on them all but f they;re squad players rather than first choice then it's not a disaster if they don't pan out.'"
Agreed. The Leeds model of a couple of top line props and several fillers did very well, the players mentioned above have many winners meals began them, showing that despite their average abilities the balance of the squads were right
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Not at all - I don't see Joe Burgess being swapped around, bet Myler and Bridge get selected at Warrington, don't see Mosee being traded with anyone. Scott Dereau another. All these guys are on their way to other clubs and the're getting a game every week!! Perhaps its you that's spilt the jizz?
More to do with his place in the pecking order at the Giants i.e. pretty low down and his lack of genuine quality when compared to Huby, Crabtree, Ta'ai and Copzack. Hardly huge competition is it really? If he isn't good enough to force his way in against those guys then is he really good enough for us? When the Giants would rather have Dan Smith than him then again is he really good enough for us or is he another Yates, Feather, Cross, Kirke, Bailey i.e. a pretty average squad player that shouldn't be anywhere an elite club's squad?'"
The Giants would rather have Smith now over Mullalley because they have him for the next four years potentially whereas Mullalley is heading off to their rivals in a few months.
No of course it doesn't always happen with departing players, but then again not all departing players are 4th choice prop kind of position and not every club is Wakefield who are as desperate to take the cash that was offered along with the swap. Would Catalans like to have Myler now given their injuries in the HB's? Yes probably but why would Warrington realise him now without their replacement lined up? Hudds could offer Wakey a short term replacement who was heading out of the door anyway soon.
We've got Garbutt earlier than planned because he couldn't get a game but doesn't mean he's rubbish. Wane hardly played Scott Taylor last year once he made clear he wanted to move to Hull. We got rid of Luke Burgess early when it was clear he was heading out the door. So whilst not often it does happen quite clearly. Trying to somehow judge Mullalley based on minutes/games played and that they've used him to bring in a new prop SINCE he announced he was leaving isn't any intelligent way to judge him or his future showings for Leeds. For all we know Anderson had big plans to play him throughout the year and sulked when he didn't re-sign. They once again ditched Lunt quite unnecessarily just like that mid-season.
We all know we aren't getting some world class prop that's going to be starting 13 every week, but nobody has ever pretended that that's what he is or going to be. He's an addition to the prop department who can hopefully show enough when he's here to be a consistant pick in the 17. Likewise Hudds aren't signing Smith because they see him ahead of Huby, Crabtree, Rapira, Kopczak.
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| For further reading see Lunt.
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| Leigh will release Brierley if they are unsuccessful in getting into SL. They have already handed last years Championship 1 young player of the year halfback Ben Reynolds a long term deal in back up of this.
They are rumoured to have signed Cory Paterson from Salford and are hopeful of landing Harrison Hansen irrespective of which division they are in.
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