Not bad for a little fellow

It's what David does best, writing players and coaches off. Especially champion ones. Unless it's Mcguire of course

David has had an agenda with Burrow since he broke into the 1st team ahead of his beloved McGuire.

How he can single Burrow out from the two halves from Friday is a joke. McGuire has lost his pace and is creating little or nothing plus he is swatted off in defence with too much regularity. At least when nothing else is working for Burrow he can create something on his own, like his try.

Harsh on McGuire - and Burrow. Not many half backs look good when the pack is useless and they have limited options in attack and no game plan.

Freudian?

I guess we have been at full crap for the last few weeks though.

Correct. Half backs can't do much when they are playing behind a beaten pack.

I wonder when David's agenda will start with Bluey?

Won't take long if results keep going like this for "our greatest ever coach" or even quicker if he has the temerity to drop McGuire.

Unfair - but you are entitled to your opinion - I agree re McGuire he has been beefed up so much to aid his defence that the turn of pace he had he has no longer - Burrow only got the try because JJB held back the man so not sure that is Burrow creating something out of nothing anyone can run through an artificially created hole!!!

We will never agree Gareth about McGuire he is a player who polarises opinion - on Thursday night Graham Murray was all glowing about McGuire saying he had watched him in various training sessions and on the field and what a great player he was on the radio on Sunday Schofield basically said this losses are all down to McGuire so if the experts can't agree what chance have we - you pays your money you makes your choice.

It will be interesting to see if McClennan can turn it round - let's face it it took your Uber coach a further three seasons to repeat what he did in year one - there is no way you will McClennan the latitude you have gave Smith that is for sure - it is pretty rich when you critisise others for doing to McClennan what you have done for Smith.

All I have said about McClennan is that some of the rugby played in 2008 was the best Leeds have played in the SL era far superior to anything I saw under Smith - his record in 2008 compares favourably in every department to Smith's in 2007 with the same players.

Yes they are having a rough patch which has given you/stanningley some amo can he turn it round this season who knows let's face it his record cannot any worse than Smith's in 2005 ie 0 cups. Sadly that fact seems to have completely avoided your radar in the Smith love-fest.

I feel Bluey can turn it round. We need to look no further than the run up to the GF. Bashed by Saints in the playoffs, then turning up on the day and retaining our title. It can be done. I know the specifics are different (lack of any real form all season/lost last 3 at home etc), but the thing that Bluey has on his side is time. Leeds have the time to turn it round, and lose it again! He has work to do, no doubt. I will just be intersting to see how he turns it round on the pitch. Because line up shuffles are limited with our compact squad. IMO he is bemused with the lack of tempo that was so obvious last Friday, but he's gonna have to work that one out ASAP.

I expect Buley to turn it round and I certainly hope we are not as bad as we were on 2005 although we did make the CC final that year.
My point was made tongue in cheek about agenda but you have come out with pearlers in the past about Smith and how he got on with his players,one has now joined him at Warrington.
We did play some great stuff last season but we also played some great stuff under Smith especially in his first season and in the last one.We certainly aren't playing attractive rugby at the moment but I expect that to change.

can anyone think of any other finals in that worst ever year?

Ah yes beaten by the Bulls that year

You've only quoted one "expert" there.