We wouldn't have had to compete is what I said.

hahaha we that was a concise well thought out arguement. "you sound like the muppet behind me..."
i was trying to get across the malice involved it both cases. the shoulder barge attempt showed more malice than the lift of the legs by moon. had it connected there was a very real chance of injury. (please re-read the word chance before you cum all over the key board in your attempts at mocking me) there was no chance of an injury in the moon case, as he did lift the legs and then put them down, with no injury to the player. penaly, yes. 1 match ban? no.

The best way the RFL can get rid of the shoulder barge is to penalise it heavily. they banned it after 4 weeks of the SL season started as it was so terribly dangerous to the players (sarcasm there guys) yet when you have blatant instances of it they mearly shrug and give away penalties. luiluia has zero incentive to learn a new teqnique as they are not punishing his old one, yet i bet hardacker was a little weary of it when he was being challenged. so who has the advantage?

as for the McShane no try. i thought most hookers did them when they were a few meters out. nevermind, guess we wont be seeing one of them scored any more.

Anti leeds bias? i asked some questions. cetain posted jumped on them like a tramp on hot food. guess your a relative of oone of our many glorious officials.....

W55ARE-re-Sutcliffe there were clear instructions for Mcshane and Burrow to run the kicking game last night it was that blatant.
As for his talents as a 6 his passing was spot on he left Hock clutching fresh air for Burrows 2nd try which btw was a 5th tackle play and had his try been scored by Tomkins ,Briers ,Rathcford etc etc there'd have been a tugfest.
I HAVE seen most of his games and he can and will prove to be more than capable at 6 and the link up with him and Ward (at 13) will see us in safe hands for years.

Thought Sutcliffe had a good game last night, but he wasn't really playing at stand-off, more as a loose-forward while the nominal 13 (Singleton) was playing as an extra prop.

Effectively we had one half-back/pivot for most of the match (Burrow) except for a weird five minute period where McShane went off, Burrow went to hooker, and it appeared that JJB was playing scrum-half.

So the clamour has been for Burrow to step up and take some more responsibility now he's going to be first choice scrum half for the rest of the season.

Burrow does step up and take more responbility (pretty successfully in the most part) and now he's getting stick for not passing to Sutcliffe, allegedly on the instructions of the coach?

What's that saying? You can't educate pork?

You and Gotcha beat me to it, looked like McShane was told to drill the ball deep into touch to try and keep widnes down their own end whilst Burrow did a few attacking cross field kicks, Sutcliffe made sure he was never in a position to kick when it came to the last play.

Maybe the coach didn't want the extra pressure of kicking to be put on Sutcliffes shoulders

Cant say I noticed Burrow not passing to Sutcliffe, he did run up a blind alley a few times but he's always done that.

Andy, seriously grow up.

There is no critisism of Burrow from last night. There was a clear game plan which was not to put pressure on Sutcliffe simple as that. If you read post properly you will see that.

Does Sutcliffe have a decent kicking game?

My own thoughts:

The kids that came into the team did ok.

Sutcliffe showed some nice touches with ball in hand (Clarke trying to disguise Eamonn O'Carroll getting sidestepped out of his boots for the try as being down to his footwear was laughable). Stood up well to the physical challenge of Hock, albeit made some poor reads when faced with numbers coming at him.

Singleton did everything at 100mph as usual, but I'm struggling to remember anything either exceptional or dumb. Steady game. About what you would expect for someone who has been in the full time setup for two or three years now.

Baldwinson got on and did the job expected of him. Ran strong, defended well. Again, no major plusses but no big minuses either.

Minns did alright with limited game time after Moon came off.

Keinhorst had an absolute Jarvis. From standing around watching a loose ball for Mellor's length of the field try to his poor effort for Hanbury's he looked like he'd wandered in off the street. Missed a couple of chances second half to pick good lines off Achurch playing inside him and constantly walkabout in defence.

Many more performances like that, especially with Ablett poised to return, and he'll be back to Hunslet pronto.

Sibbs-In the U19's he is the dominant kicker with White at 7 more of a running HB and imo he's decent at it aswell.
He's also the goal kicker but as has been posted i think the plan last night was to keep as much pressure off him as poss and tbf i thought Burrow and Mcshane ran the kicking game well overall.

Sibbs any idea when waccoe will be back up?

For most of the season our defense has been oustanding and has looked well organised nad very well coached as you well know. Then we went off the boil with key players losing some timing and we also were hit by the injuries. These things happen in sport, the players know it and the coaches know it. In a sport where team spirit is essential what you don't do is panic and lay blame on players and coaches who are well seasoned and proven. They just have to work it through on the practice pitch and on the playing pitch until the form returns as it will with the class players.

We have some outstanding young players who will in time earn a regular place but what you saw last night was the clear risks that come when you blood a youngster. Singleton looks the business now with a good work rate and stamina. Sutcliffe looks to have the class but needs to work on his defence (which I am sure he will do) and though early days I like the look of Baldwinson. Keinhorst confirmed why the coach has been reluctant to play him and I have not seen enough of Minns.

Overall I am happy with the way these youngsters are developing but most are not quite ready and it will be interesting to see them up against a top SL side.

Fair enough, with his size he could easily be shaped into a Loose with a similar role as Sinfield then. He also seems a bit lighter on his feet than Kevin which is encouraging. The signs are looking good for mine, I think Mcdermott has done the right thing and shielded him a bit too as it's oh so easy to loose confidence at that age; speaking from experience on that too!