Oh I know that, but that picture still shows an open hand grabbing the shoulder?

A still image from after initial contact.

I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist?

Quote: Seth "I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist?'" Maybe someone cleverer than me can post the pics from here (page 20) https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... 4/page/23/ Not sure of the significance of the alleged clenched fist, it was only when I watched on TV that I realised it was something the two refs had brought to proceedings. FWIW I have no problem with a red for a high and hard swinging arm

Quote: Seth "I'd like to see then how that clenched first, no control position transitioned to the one in the picture a fraction of a second after contact. Anyone got a still of the clenched fist?'" Maybe someone cleverer than me can post the pics from here (page 20) https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... 4/page/23/ Not sure of the significance of the alleged clenched fist, it was only when I watched on TV that I realised it was something the two refs had brought to proceedings. FWIW I have no problem with a red for a high and hard swinging arm

The clenched fist shows intent, if he was tackling he would have an open hand to grab the shirt as part of the tackle.

The still suggest the fist wasn't clenched though. Although a still doesn't ever tell the whole story.

Regardless, I imagine a couple of game ban will head his way.

From watching on the screen, it was closed as it came across Widdop into contact. Holmes's fist was open and that was the difference that the referee pointed out both in conversation with the TMO and also in the explanation to Leeming as captain.

Really unlucky not to get the 2 points. I thought the try by Charnley right before half time was a big moment in the game. Ratchford sledging to Rhyse Martin at full time was bermusing, I think they were at it all game judging from watching the game back. On to Wigan!

Probably didn’t know about Rhyse’s dad. He’s a good bloke Is Ratchford and am sure will apologise.

Most stuff has already been covered.

What should the correct call have been regarding Charnley tackling Handley without the ball just before Handley scored? Penalty try, 8 point try, yellow card?

I would like to see Prior receiving the ball at pace. He seems to be standing waiting for it to come to him and then think about what he's going to do.

Big Willie Poching now saying these soft reds and yellows are ruining the spectacle. I agree and well done to him for speaking out……

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... rs-3567320 Embarrassing article from Peter Smith IMO

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... rs-3567320 Embarrassing article from Peter Smith IMO

That is interpretation at best. If that was a rule then it would say in order to tackle you must have an open hand and not a clenched fist. If that arm was lower around the chest with a clenched fist then nothing comes of it, you don’t say oh the tackle was made but you had a clenched fist and your intent wasn’t to tackle.

Poor technique from Bentley, was a red card for me as hits the head. My big issue is this clenched fist thing, it’s rubbish and makes no difference. Just say you’ve made contact directly to the head so it’s a red card. Problem is if that’s the rule then Currie is probably a red card as well.

Surely this clenched fist chat is irrelevant as there was no clenched fist. The fact of the matter is that it was a direct shot to the head. You cannot do that nowadays.

Winning two games out of 18 with Kendall in charge is of concern. We clearly cannot play to a style that suits his officiating.