The conversion from the first try was probably the one that you would have expected Watkins to kick. Had he kicked that, he wouldn't have needed to convert either of the touchline attempts at the end.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing

Well, yeah we should be.

We have a class centre playing standoff and no recognised kicker.

It doesn't take a genius to realise we need to invest in a goalkicking standoff.

We don’t need to buy a kicker. Sinfield was hardly the finished article when he started kicking. As for wanting Moon at centre. That would be totally unfair on Handley who has been fantastic against some top teams.

Hopefully Watkins will get his mojo back and this will become a non-issue. He clearly is a reasonably good kicker from a technique perspective.

Anyway, the kicker has to be a guaranteed starter and play full games - currently only Watkins and Myler tick those boxes.

I can't remember Leeds particularly picking specialist kickers - probably only Simon Irving in my time who was continually picked on the wing despite being incredibly slow, but he was solid enough. In fact for years when I first watched Leeds we seemed to have kickers who could be good on their day and awful on others - Kevin Dick, Dave Creasser, Mark Conway, Colin Maskill etc.

Yeah not convinced on Handley.

Got the ball stripped from him one on one by Webster minutes after a shocking knock on.

Seems to have a habit of right place/right time though - but defos not a centre.

This has been an annual discussion for Wiganers since Richards left, seems to have been much improved this year though after Charlie Hodgson was brought in to coach the kickers. A similar move for you guys would probably work also.

Yes I was thinking that CM.
We could use Kevin Sinfield to help out there or whoever is the kicking coach at Yorkshire Carnegie.

True enough although he's not alone where Webster's concerned, seen him do that a few times. What did impress me was how he didn't go into his shell afterwards, still went looking for the ball - and used it well.

Regarding Handley, after the ball strip I remember seeing someone have a chat with him, words of advice and a bit of a pep talk seemed to do the trick as he did not do much wrong after that. If he can make such a big change during a game after a few seconds chat with someone on the field he is the kind of player I'd like around. Obviously listens to good advice.

I know it was the case on Friday, but how often is goal kicking the difference between a win and a loss?

Does anybody have the stats on games won or lost by goal kicks for 2017 say?

Watkins has a glass foot when it comes to kicking 10 metres to the right of the sticks.

He has missed 6+ in the last year. It would have been 7 had he missed the one against Hull when his slipped during the kick.

In this area of the pitch he should be kicking them over every time.

He missed in this same area against Cas in the first half. If only we had those 2 points.

The most ridiculous comment I’ve seen yet!
Jake Webster has done that to far more experienced centres than Handley. He was brilliant against Hull and Saints. That step for his second try against Cas was top class. Senior-esque. The pass to put Hall away when most (Moon included) would go for the hat-trick showed great composure and selflessness. I hope we stick with Handley at centre. He’s overtaken Sutcliffe imo.