Cannot disagree with the last point

How does the saying go ' start listening to the fans and soon you will be sitting with them'.

I often don't agree with his team choice, his game plan or his interchange use.

However, I've never won anything and since he came out trophy cabinet needs a full-time cleaner.

He isn't here to be loved, he is here to keep the club winning. Hard to really knock him.

My point is though that not a lot has changed since his first season, obviously at the start of 2011 he looked absolutley hopeless and has proved himself better than that but a few problems still remain.
Given we have won 5 major trophies in his time here isnt it surprising that we have only finished in the top 4 twice?
I dont know if that means he has over achieved or under achieved tbh
Even last season, which some fans have called the best Leeds team ever, we still lost a lot of regular season games, and have yet to go through a season with him without at least one poor run of form
Compare that to the 2004 team under Tony Smith that absolutely blasted nearly everyone in the league finishing top by a record margin, with arguably a lesser team
To put this in perspective, Anderson and Wane have managed to finish in the top 4 every season, even though they have lesser squads and I would still call them lesser coaches

I dont think its as black and white as you make out, for me there are legitimate grievances to have with Mac, and I havnt seen many on here that seem to be blindly against him without reason...

I've been bewildered by McDermott on many occasions but he coached us to an amazing treble last season, so yes I'm happy with him. I don't particularly care if we have an off-year after that.

I spoke with Brian McDermott during a tricky period in 2011, and found it an uneasy conversation with him appearing to get quite defensive, much the same as his persona during media interviews around that time. Despite our success in his first 2 seasons I couldn't quantify what positive impact he'd had on the team, or if he'd just been in the right place, with the right players, at the right time. Five years down the line I've got used to his uneasy manner and the trophy cabinet is full. I like the way he commits himself 100% to the job, and obviously thinks deeply about what he does day in day out. Despite a tricky start to the season I think it would be wrong to question his judgement, he has credit in the bank. Whether he is a good coach can only ever be an opinion, there is never a factual formula to determine how good a coach is. There may be better coaches elsewhere with the "wrong" team that will never have chance to manage a big club like Leeds, but McDermott could also be the best coach realistically available. I've disagreed with his sub rotation and game tactics on many occasions, but I'm sure that could apply to any incumbent coach when things aren't working . I'm happy for him to carry on developing as a coach, that is an ongoing process and not just applicable to the players.

I think it should also be mentioned that imo at least, the standard of SL coaching is at an all time low, so its not like we could replace him with a guaranteed world beater
He clearly does some things well and can motivate players when we need it most, there are just some things I find really frustrating, and I dont understand how he hasnt figured out his mistakes, hes like bloody Arsen Wenger
The main one obviously being only using one sub in the first half (and sometimes not using a sub), it cost us last year against cas, and noone mentions it but he did it AGAIN in the WCC and we unsurprisingly got blitzed in the second half

He has immense self belief, I'll give him that. He also seems to instil the belief that he's right into his players too with the result everyone's 100% committed to any game plan. Which, as we've seen, can take a side a hell of a long way.

Bloody hell he won the treble last year and coach of the year and still gets flack , some of your lot are as bad as ours if not worse

I can't believe that this thread even exists. RL a game played by 17 men and 17500 coaches.
His record says it all.
Whatever his playing roster, BM has bought more trophy's in a few years than I have seen in the rest of my 30 odd years watching
Obviously losing a fantastic captain and one of the best props Leeds has seen in many a year is going to be a hurdle to get over. Let him get on with his job and we will see by the end of this season beginning of next how well his plans go.
How many times did Sir Kev say BM is the best coach he has ever played for. I can't recall him ever saying that about anyone else during his tenure at Leeds

If you're going to compare a coach to what we did in 2004 then no coach will be good enough (whilst great that year both Saints and Wigan had shockers in terms of rivals).

Whilst you point out 2 top 4 finishes in 5 years, it has been 2 in the last 3 years and would've been top 4 possibly 1st in 2014 had we not thrown it away by playing weakened teams vs Bradford & London around the Cup Final.

Whilst the table doesn't look great at the moment, if we can pick up 4 points from 4 this weekend then it'll look a lot healthier on Tuesday morning.

Yea but its him that picked the teams that threw it away in 2014, we could have been top if managed properly

For those saying this thread souldn't exist, or is unfair, I dont think fans should blindly follow the coach even though he has been successful, I also havnt seen anyone so far that want his head in the way that people call for Wane or KC out on their boards

This also has virtually NOTHING to do with our recent form, we will improve, I am confident of that, this thread is more about his coaching style

Yes. He likes to keep his best players On the pitch as long as possible which means at times you end up with the unused sub and guys looking worn out. Sometimes he will get it wrong - cas at end of last year. However, his record is exceptional and in essence shows he knows much more than i do and has probably forgotten more than I know.