Cummins at no time ever as a player showed anything to indicate he could make a coach.

The Bulls were right, he was never going to take them forward, regardless of their other problems.

Cummins been badly done to?

He's been abysmal this season. They've played without any desire and motivation this season. Even with no coach they improved against hull kr.

I dare say if they'd canned him sooner they'd have a fighting chance of survival.

Can you explain what you mean by that?

I dare say the same could be said for big old props McDermott, Wane and Anderson. They've already all done better than the likes of a Schofield or Goulding or Harris, players noted for their skill and rugby brains.

On the field yes.

Off the field? Hmmmmmm.

Goulding was a terrific player, but I don't recall "brains" being a word that people used to describe him very often.

I still think Iestyn Harris will make a good coach. Early days in his career yet.

It does seem that some of the Big Daft Lad props some of us grew up watching were not quite as daft as they looked.

Similarly people like Tony Smith and Graham Murray didn't have the most illustrious careers or display traits that would make you think they would make great coaches. What would have made Wayne Bennett stand out as a potential coach from his playing days?

Similarly you might have thought Schofield would make a great coach.

It's why I wonder what Gotcha was meaning.

A strong case can be made that the better a player was, the harder it is for them to be a great coach. The best explanation I heard was that great players tend to find it very hard dealing with 'normal' players when they become coaches - they could do things by instinct and ability by themselves and didn't need telling what to do, and so they find it very hard to emphasize with someone who does need that support. The opposite then being true for more average players moving into coaching.

Its clearly not a hard and fast rule, but it does seem to generally bear out in the RL world.

The huge arrogance that is often (and to a degree understandably) attached to greatness on the field probably doesn't help with man management either.

I am not sure why you think anyone was alluding to any coach only been good if they were a good player?

The best coaches have always been leaders, players who put their bodies on the line for team mates, show passion, show hunger, good drive to work, call the move. We see those players today at the top coaching in our game. I can't think of one that didn't possess those traits, and had a pea for a heart, who is succeeding.

Really top coaches seem to be great man managers - Bennett possibly the greatest of them all. It does help if you have the talent to coach, would Tony Smith turn Wakefield into league leaders?

Lowes is possibly what Bradford need right now, Cummins definitely not.

That was my prediction right from the start. There was a brief period last season when I did question my view though. There are other players I would add to the list of 'never be a coach in a million years' such as Tony Smith Jr & David Plange. Unfortunately I also had James Lowes in that group.

I thought no such thing. I asked you to clarify what you meant, that is all. However, what you type in the very next paragraph appears to infer that is exactly what you are saying.

Again I'll ask, what of the qualities listed above were displayed by Wayne Bennett or Tony Smith in their playing careers?