You're not helping.

Thats always the theory and of course it all depends on who owns and operates the stadium as to whether all of that expenditure makes it all the way back into the rugby club's cash box, in theory its a good move for everyone who wants to go, in reality it sets a precedent now, a challenge cup round is now worth £8 and no more, a challenge cup round is worth just 40% of a SL round.

I look forward to the semi final and Wembley final ticket prices being slashed to 40%.

It appears we've come a long way from the time Alf Davies was able to increase ground admission by 20% for a Challenge Cup Quarter-Final tie with Widnes and still sell Headingley out to the comparatively sorry state of affairs we see today.

Generally speaking back in the day the Challenge Cup was viewed as the bigger game with more riding on the outcome and liable to attract the bigger audience when compared to the equivalent League encounter and understandably so.

It's probably to the game's credit that the League has advanced - albeit it's sad to see the Challenge Cup has suffered along the way.

This may be slightly off on a tangent, but in terms of value for money I think RL has come down a bit, ignoring whats happeneing on the field.

When I started going as a junior in 1998/9 it was £5 for a junior and £10 for an adult. In 15 years that price has more than doubled, whilst the salary cap has come in and reduced the major outgoings of the clubs significantly. Its not just at Leeds either, as most clubs have gone up in price too, though I think the gap between the cheapest venue and the most expensive is quite significant.

The question is, are we seeing a weakening of the brand when prices are cut? Or is it that the prices are just being re-adjusted after a period of over inflation.

Obviously, the £8 entry is designed to get people through the door, and falls outside of this. However, the challenge cup suffers more than most games due to the reality of how much it actually costs to go to game. Most people's mental arithmatic is rubbish, and they don't bother to work out how much their season ticket is. They accept that its the best deal, and get a season of benefit. Often they are bought as presents at Xmas, so the cost is hidden. When its a cup game, or a play off game the cost is there in black and white. The fixture is arranged at relatively short notice so people stay away. At £8 the deal is good, and I would hope that the fans of both clubs embrace the match, and show that if a game is priced reasonably then more people will attend. It would then be up to the clubs to decide where the sweet spot is for them when taking into account programmes, burgers and beers.

If only 5,000 turn out at £8 then I guess the nail is really starting to be hammered into the Challenge Cup, and is also indicative that some games just don't excite people no matter how much you discount them

For the game, surely the real value of the Cup is that it's big showpiece final happens on live terrestrial TV, in front of 70k or so at Wembley.

It isn't the only competition in the world that really only generates a lot of excitement at its business end.

I don't really agree with the worry over the precedent set. The precedent set is that the value of something (in economic terms) is what people are prepared to pay for it. If you generate more interest, the price can go up.

The sale of season tickets is bad for cup attendances, but good for business stability and planning. C'est la vie. If that means you have to charge less for cup matches, and that doesn't end up making them loss-making, where's the harm? Even if it is setting a precedent, is it such a bad one?

For the same bottom line profit, would you rather have a small crowd at a higher unit price (and I include increased overheads in the aforementioned bottom line) or a large crowd at a lower price? One harms perception of the business wich has the potential to damage it, one could create a bit of 'buzz' around your business. Benefits of that may be pretty marginal, but if they cost next to nothing then hey, why not?

To be fair about half of that increase is due to inflation. And I think clubs have suffered in the last 10-15 years from a lack of investment in stadia/facilities 15-30 years ago requiring either large sums for investment in new stands/stadia/facilities or higher maintenance costs on often unsightly grounds. Plus a large increase in spending on off-field things such as conditioners, sports science, training grounds etc that in the past was probably spent on players wages

Mainly because its a strange business model, its one that has a finite number of opportunities to sell to its customer, you have a fixed number of days that your retail outlet is open for business and they are very limited other than the possibility that you may get between one or five (six?) extra home games every season and thats your lot for that stream of income - you can hardly blame them for wanting to milk the hardcore of supporters for every last bean during those bonus matches.

To throw away an opportunity to charge top whack for one of those bonus games when it might be the last chance you'll get this season is a brave decision, to run the possibility that you might make a loss on that game because of your brave concept would be like a kick in the balls.

You've got to be looking for 10 to 12k for this match or the concept of challenge cup price slashing is doomed, there is no other reason for doing it.

Just a thought but you could go to this draw for £8 then potentially (assuming we win) meet either Sheffield Eagles or Halifax at home at a cost of £20?

I don't think we're talking about throwing away an opportunity to milk the supporters here. Experience suggests a reluctance on the part of said supporters to turn up to be milked. I'm sure if the clubs thought enough people would turn up to pay top whack for it to make it a money-spinning opportunity we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

So it might not be as brave a decision as you're implying. But still shows enough initiative to be applauded IMO.

Do the clubs whose game is televised receive any direct additional monies as a result of their game being shown live on terrestrial tv?
The costs of staging the match are largely marginal.
ie all the regular fixed costs including players etc have been budgeted for in the SL costs.
Cup games are a bonus, therefore any £ though the turnstiles is practically addtional profit.
Add on the income from perimeter & other advertising then clubs should be in clover.
Or at least those clubs that own their own grounds should be.
NB this does only apply to the televised games.
In the days when Leeds pulled in 26000 for the Widnes game, we were lucky if 8000 attended the regular league rounds.

Stewarding, policing and other staffing has a cost though.

Actually, if you're opening the whole ground, I assume you have to be able to steward and police the whole ground, so you might as well have people in it as not?

Fairly minimal in the overall scheme of things I'd have said.
& you should know how many to expect so as to be able to cut your cloth accordingly, although I do appreciate that their are minimum standards to be adhered to so as to comply with ground safety regulations.

Well I personally think this is a good idea, The family are all season ticket holders but at normal price for the Challenge cup game , we would have stayed at home and watched it for free on the BBC.

It will hopefully attract a lot more people to watch the game live, I would have anticipated a crowd of no more than 6000 but now Leeds should travel in good numbers.

Rugby league supporters always seem to have lots of negative thoughts about the game and how it is run but rarely give any positive advice. Come on people the glass is half full not smashed to pieces and laying on the floor.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they charged full price and nobody turned up then everybody would be on here saying that the clubs didn't do enough.

If low ticket prices cheapen and destroy the league, how come the German football league's top flight charges around £8 - £10 for standing fans to attend their very top flight games.

Don't Dortmund get something like 70K - 80K for a home game ?

They must be doing something right at those levels, given the German national side has been consistently good for many years and currently it looks like an all German Champions League Final this season.