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| I thought Watkins got bagged for defensive efforts at Wembley when time and again he and BJB were outnumbered and facing a team running very good set plays. The tries down that wing were largely created by the plays before.
Ablett's a very capable centre, and I'd have no problem with him remaining there if that's where he wanted to play. But in an ideal world it is a position that could be improved on, as sometimes his movement is a bit slow in both attack and defence.
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| Something's a bit weird BTW when Hall hasn't scored a try in 8 or 9 of the games when the team has socred more than 30 points.
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| That appears to be something replicated across Leeds' major try-scorers to some extent this season although as Leeds' top scorer Hall has missed out the most. Possibly afraid of acquiring the popular 'flat-track bully' tag?
From a possible total of 18 games:
Hall, 21 Tries but not scored in 8 of 18 - 44%
=#0000BFJones-Bishop, 19 Tries but not scored in 7 of 17 - 41%
McGuire, 16 Tries but not scored in 6 of 15 - 40%
=#0000BFHardaker, 17 Tries but not scored in 7 of 18 - 39%
Watkins, 13 Tries but not scored in 5 of 13 - 38.5%
The interesting part is perhaps when you flip it over and see how the top-scorers go in lower scoring games.
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| It's the Super League bug, wingers can't help but drift in and allow their opposite winger a free run to the line. The games just on Sat night showed that.
Wingers are like drummers in a rock band.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Watkins is potentially the best centre we have produced since Newlove and Connoley.
[i=#0000FFI guess you are saying that he is as good as either of those and he is a Leeds asset. Or are you just saying that he is the best Leeds centre since about 1992?[/i
Something radical needs to be done about his defence - he seems incapable of reading the game at the moment.
[i=#0000FFBut then this contradicts anything you may have been trying to convey in the first line. The reason both Connolly and Newlove were lauded by many is that they were all round very good with some qualities that were excellent! Both of them could, without doubt, read the game in both attack and defence without many errors. Watkins will never be regarded as anywhere near as good as the two you mentioned[/i
In attack he glides over the surface superb to watch. [i=#0000FFYes, he is an athlete[/i'"
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"That appears to be something replicated across Leeds' major try-scorers to some extent this season although as Leeds' top scorer Hall has missed out the most. Possibly afraid of acquiring the popular 'flat-track bully' tag?
From a possible total of 18 games:
Hall, 21 Tries but not scored in 8 of 18 - 44%
=#0000BFJones-Bishop, 19 Tries but not scored in 7 of 17 - 41%
McGuire, 16 Tries but not scored in 6 of 15 - 40%
=#0000BFHardaker, 17 Tries but not scored in 7 of 18 - 39%
Watkins, 13 Tries but not scored in 5 of 13 - 38.5%
The interesting part is perhaps when you flip it over and see how the top-scorers go in lower scoring games.'"
This is why stats dont tell the full story.
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| On the rugby league extraordinary video, hall said he only started as a winger when he joined Leeds.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"That appears to be something replicated across Leeds' major try-scorers to some extent this season although as Leeds' top scorer Hall has missed out the most. Possibly afraid of acquiring the popular 'flat-track bully' tag?
From a possible total of 18 games:
Hall, 21 Tries but not scored in 8 of 18 - 44%
=#0000BFJones-Bishop, 19 Tries but not scored in 7 of 17 - 41%
McGuire, 16 Tries but not scored in 6 of 15 - 40%
=#0000BFHardaker, 17 Tries but not scored in 7 of 18 - 39%
Watkins, 13 Tries but not scored in 5 of 13 - 38.5%
The interesting part is perhaps when you flip it over and see how the top-scorers go in lower scoring games.'"
Some of those 8 games Hall missed out on surely were a result of playing outside Hardaker, who ended up finishing some of the chances himself whereas Ablett now or Senior in the past would of passed to Hall.
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| Quote rhinos21="rhinos21"This is why stats dont tell the full story.'"
That's true. Without Brisbane mentioning it I wouldn't have realised Hall had missed out as often as that this season or how that compared to the other notable try-scorers.
The interesting discovery for me is that Jones-Bishop scores 1.12 tries per game on average when the Leeds score exceeds 30 points but falls to 0.23 per game when it doesn't. (Hall's range on the opposite wing is 1.17 to 0.69.) Neither stat comes as any great surprise though.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"That's true. Without Brisbane mentioning it I wouldn't have realised Hall had missed out as often as that this season or how that compared to the other notable try-scorers.
The interesting discovery for me is that Jones-Bishop scores 1.12 tries per game on average when the Leeds score exceeds 30 points but falls to 0.23 per game when it doesn't. (Hall's range on the opposite wing is 1.17 to 0.69.) Neither stat comes as any great surprise though.'"
Hall has also many different centre partners that cant help the situation.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"Some of those 8 games Hall missed out on surely were a result of playing outside Hardaker, who ended up finishing some of the chances himself whereas Ablett now or Senior in the past would of passed to Hall.'"
Hall's tries have generally come from three major sources. A Webb/McGuire cut out pass, a Sinfield cross-kick or a ball from his centre. Quite possibly in that order in terms of quantity. Lauitiiti offloads would be in the mix somewhere as well.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"The interesting discovery for me is that Jones-Bishop scores 1.12 tries per game on average when the Leeds score exceeds 30 points but falls to 0.23 per game when it doesn't. (Hall's range on the opposite wing is 1.17 to 0.69.) Neither stat comes as any great surprise though.'"
Waking up to a busty blonde with a big-ass is something I would label an 'interesting discovery'.......
.....each to their own......
(oh by the way the above is in no way is meant to disparage 'r lass)
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