Obviously fans of sports clubs are not ever entitled to moan, for the reasons quoted above. They're not entitled to moan 6 weeks out of 13, because if they're outplayed, then they're outplayed and there's nothing to moan about there and that's the END OF it. Carry on. As you were.

As with the other thirteen clubs in the competition , we do not have the right to be in the top 8 , and we can't just expect a play-off place to be handed to us . If we ain't good enough we ain't good enough . It ain't the end of the world . I bet there ain't many fans of other teams that wouldn't swap their team's achievements over the last few seasons for ours and then settle for a few mediocre years .

Spot on IMO.

True, but given the resources available we should be competing much better than we are at the moment.

The PTB was the key tonight especially the 2nd half. We had a very slow PTB not so much down to Saints' doing but are own, we seemed too obsessed with trying to milk penalties and con Ganson (who wasn't falling for it) instead of just trying to get up and play quickly. Likewise in defence we seemed to cause are own downfall by NOT trying to slow down the Saints PTB, it wasn't so much the Saints players causing the quick PTB's as are defenders getting up quickly allowing them to as if we were scared of giving away penalties.

Also i've defended McDermott's selections before but to keep Lunt on the bench for the full 80 is shocking.

a big hit when the game was lost,sort of confirms my point

why we Never looked like winning
Darrell Griffin only play 20 min why ?
Kevin Sinfield at 6 not 13
rob burrow at 9 not 7
danny McGuire at 7 not 6
not playing a full 17 (Shaun Lunt)
Leuluai and Peacock was domianted from the start (time to start Bailey with
Griffin or moore only one of Leuluai and Peacock should play not both)

we just aren't good enough. The 5 grand final wins have papered over the terminal cracks running through the core of the club.

I disagree with most of this.

Griffin played 20 minutes because the other 3 props offered a lot more on the night - I though Peacock and Leuluai stood up to their pack very well. Peacock especially, had a monster game.

Sinfield is a 6.

Burrow played at 7 against Saints last time out - anyone who thinks he's the answer as a scrum half should rewatch that game.

I'll give you Lunt.

That's hilarious - damn I'm so jealous of Wire's trophy cabinet

We simply don't play the ball quick enough, most of our problems stem from our failure to control the PTB. We allow teams to get on the front foot to easily and we don't work hard enough ourselves to gain a quick PTB in attack. Some would argue that this is down to the hooker, and thats part of it but, the pack as a whole are so pedestrian in this area at times. The sky comentators kept talking about how we like to play attacking rugby but to me we looked slow and predictable in attack. This is a side that needs freshening up an injection of pace into the forwards is a must.

The last one perhaps, the previous 4 wins might be stretching it a bit.