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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"Maybe a more suitable criteria is needed to determine the greater player.
For example the pinnacle of the sport is a GF winners ring, the next would be Challenge Cup winner medal, then World Player of the Year and so on…
So…
GF Ring = 10 points
CC Winners Medal = 8 points
Golden Boot = 7 points
MoS = 6 points
LLS = 5 points
WWC = 5 points
Harry Sunderland = 4 points
Lance Todd = 4 points
Dream Team = 2 points
With this matrix who would be the 'best' prop in SL and come to think of it, who would be the 'best' player?'"
Based on that Sinnie is on 86 points.
(50, 0, 0, 0, 10, 10, 4, 4, 8 )
N.B. Dream team is best guess? I'd say '05, '06, '08 & '09?
Edit - I'd also suggest the tiny alteration that we'd call the winner of this "The Most Successful Player" as opposed to "The Best".
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| Quote ryano="ryano"Quote ryano="lummy"Interesting how ' TMFMISL ' hasn't responded to any of Radford's advances about this boxing extravaganda isn't it.
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Perhaps, like me, he didn't know WTF you're on about!'"

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| Quote ryano="ryano"Quote ryano="lummy"Interesting how ' TMFMISL ' hasn't responded to any of Radford's advances about this boxing extravaganda isn't it.
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Perhaps, like me, he didn't know WTF you're on about!'"

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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"Maybe a more suitable criteria is needed to determine the greater player.
'" Maybe, and I am coming a little out of left field here, the best way to form an opinion on how good players are is watch them play rather than some mathematical formula.
Utilising this crazy notion over the years I have determined, however much I rate Bailey, and I do, that at their respective peaks Peacock, Fielden and Graham were better players than him but many others in the league were not. At the current stage of their careers I have formulated the opinion that I would rather have Bailey than many other props in the league.
Just in case I am being to weird I will take my calculator to the next game I watch.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Quote SmokeyTA="lummy"Interesting how ' TMFMISL ' hasn't responded to any of Radford's advances about this boxing extravaganda isn't it.
Despite writing to him, trying to contact him on line and asking the Leeds players and his agent about a possible match up, he heard nothing...not a word.....Mr Bailey is incommunicado or to put it another way simply not TMFMISL.'"
I cant believe he wrote to him.
What a random letter that would be to receive.
Dear Ryan,
You know that time I had a hissy fit and punched you in the back of the head whilst you had a ball in your hand and were trying to get up and play the ball which resulted in me getting sent off, my team losing the game, your team in overtaking us in the table and us going out in the first round to our closest rivals? Well how about this time YOU do ME a favour and drive 60 miles up to the great dude of England, interrupt your only break in training between your international commitments and pre-season training, and a week before Christmas come to Hull so a group of braying, jeering, morons can hand over money and I can put it in my back pocket and they can be drunk, braying, jeering, morons and we can have a fight? If you dont said braying morons will likely mock you on an internet message board.
If thats not enough Dean Windass will be telling some stories about being an drunk lower league footballer at a sportsmans dinner for me and Ill get you a ticket.
I hope you can attend
Yours sincerely
Lee Radford.'"
sensational!
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| Quote G1="G1"Maybe, and I am coming a little out of left field here, the best way to form an opinion on how good players are is watch them play rather than some mathematical formula.
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It'll never work.
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| Quote G1="G1"Maybe, and I am coming a little out of left field here, the best way to form an opinion on how good players are is watch them play rather than some mathematical formula.
Utilising this crazy notion over the years I have determined, however much I rate Bailey, and I do, that at their respective peaks Peacock, Fielden and Graham were better players than him but many others in the league were not. At the current stage of their careers I have formulated the opinion that I would rather have Bailey than many other props in the league.
Just in case I am being to weird I will take my calculator to the next game I watch.'"
It's all well and good going to a game and forming your own opinion of how good a player is but that's exactly what it is... your opinion. It is subjective and open to interpretation, by having a statistical matrix to measure a player by it eradicates opinion and YOUR "crazy" own perceptions.
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| Quote lummy="lummy"Interesting how ' TMFMISL ' hasn't responded to any of Radford's advances about this boxing extravaganda isn't it.
Despite writing to him, trying to contact him on line and asking the Leeds players and his agent about a possible match up, he heard nothing...not a word.....Mr Bailey is incommunicado or to put it another way simply not TMFMISL.'"
Extravaganza ?
Its in Hull isn't it ?
You count something as extravagant in Hull if someone puts some tinsel up.
Only in Hull could a player be offered a testimonial year and when asked what the culmination of it should be he replies "I want a big fight", if it were possible to be thicker than pig then this would be it.
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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"Maybe a more suitable criteria is needed to determine the greater player.
For example the pinnacle of the sport is a GF winners ring, the next would be Challenge Cup winner medal, then World Player of the Year and so on…
So…
GF Ring = 10 points
CC Winners Medal = 8 points
Golden Boot = 7 points
MoS = 6 points
LLS = 5 points
WWC = 5 points
Harry Sunderland = 4 points
Lance Todd = 4 points
Dream Team = 2 points
With this matrix who would be the 'best' prop in SL and come to think of it, who would be the 'best' player?'"
From my reckoning Fielden would be the most succesful prop in SL with 95 points.
4 GF, 2CC,4LL, 3WCC, 2DT
If I have got my stats right (TVOC please correct me) the top 4 players in SL history would be:
Paul Wellens 149 pts with 4GF, 6CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 1MOS, 3LT, 3DT, 1HS
Kieron Cunningham 148 pts with 4GF, 7CC, 2WCC, 6DT, 6LL
Jamie Peacock 146 pts with 7GF, 2CC, 4WCC, 7DT, 4LL, 1MOS
Sean Long 145 with 4GF, 6CC, 5LL, 2WCC, 2DT, 1MOS, 3LT, 2DT
Surprised to see Wellens come top, however as he shared 1 of his Lance Todd trophies with Leon Pryce there could be an argument for a 2pt deduction giving KC top spot.
Notable others:
Andy Farrell 108pts (includes pre SL trophies)
Paul Sculthorpe 126pts
James Graham 71pts
James Lowes 71 pts
Danny McGuire 74pts
Rob Burrow 84pts
Keith Senior 78pts
Leon Pryce 135pts
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| Boxing hasn't been a required skill for a prop forward since the early 1980's. Perhaps Radford should invent a time machine and travel back to say, 1972. I'm sure he wouldn't even have to ask anyone to put him on his 'arris, it would happen to the obnoxious, thick c**k every week wether he wanted it or not.
"Dear Mr Mills,
I am having a testimonial saeson and would like someone to box as part of my fund raising effort. Would you be kind enough to meet me in a ring in Hull for some light hearted fisticuffs in the name of a good cause".
"Dear Mr Radford,
While I appreciate that us RL players all have to make a living, I live in beautiful Widnes, so you would understand my reluctance to travel all the way over to that $hithole on the East Coast just to put money in your back pocket. However, I have made a note of your name and the next time I see it on an opposition team sheet I will be sure to knock you out at the first opportunity. I've passed your name around to some of my other front row colleagues who have all said that even though you are a no-name soft-cock they will also take the time to knock you out as well. I hope this is satisfactory".
Having said that if he lives in Hull a time machine would really be needed to transport him to the present.
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| the days of a fight a scrum and tony fisher i'm told
though i witnessed the widnes pack of sorensen , the evil moriarty and others
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| Hauraki beaten without radford breaking a sweat. Least he had the guts to face him, not like that coward bailey.
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