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| Anyway - what does this entail? What did the Eagles do as part of this campaign?
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| Quote ryano="ryano"Anyway - what does this entail? What did the Eagles do as part of this campaign?'"
You get to wear a shirt for one game of the season, the press come and take photos, get a quote from Elton John - and then the rest of the world continues on its merry way.
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"I really didn't want to get dragged into this, but please, let me clarify my position.
I'm not saying being gay is a choice. I do not doubt that gay people feel very real, natural urges towards people of the same sex. What I believe is that God has made it clear that such relations are sinful and that gay people should refrain from acting on their urges, perhaps in the same way someone should abstain from sex before marriage.
I'm not saying that it would be easy, but I believe in living by the Bible. That's the way it is.
I really didn't want to get bogged down in theology, I just wanted to make the point that you cannot change your race or disability, but you can choose to refrain from homosexual acts (which, as pointed out earlier, is the sin, not the 'orientation').'"
I applaud your faith and your sincerity and indeed admire it for I know that I could not uphold such blind allegiance to a faith of any description particularly when you consider that the historic base of all religion is control of the population, hence its keen adoption by royalty down through the ages especially when being royal was putting yourself in a very shaky position indeed, theres nothing quite like declaring yourself as the representative of a God to maintain your position in the hierarchy.
I would however question your last paragraph as it seems to be constructed in a convenient way for you to be critical of homosexuality while having some sort of logical structure to your belief.
If its true that you cannot change race or disability (which patently it is) and you accept that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice (which you do), then how can and why should homosexuals be expected to refrain from sexual contact for the whole of their lives, and its not just christianity who treat homosexual physical contact in this discriminatory way.
The "its not natural" argument doesn't hold any water because its perfectly natural in the "natural" world amongst all animal species, so there is another reason for wanting to bar homosexual contact isn't there ?
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"
The "its not natural" argument doesn't hold any water because its perfectly natural in the "natural" world amongst all animal species, so there is another reason for wanting to bar homosexual contact isn't there ?'"
Ah, so you base your arguement on the fact that chimps do it, ergo we as part of the animal kingdom should also embrace sodomy? I'm sure you are aware that gang rape, murder and cannibilism are also part of the chimps lifestyle, should we also accept that as "natural" behaviour as well? Life in Horsforth has certainly changed over the last 30 years!
Why not simply accept, that there is a large swath of the population who do not really care what the gay people do in the persuit of their personal happiness, but would simply prefer that they get on with it, without constantly attempting to justify their inclinations, or by belittling others beliefs? Live and let live Mcf. Until it gets made compulsory....
And if we're going to to persue the pink pound as part of a marketing ploy, can I make a plea to The Management to have them allocated their own part of the ground. The last thing I want, is to be sat in the northstand with my view of the pitch obscurred by row upon row of Boy George hat wearing types, ooohing and aaahing everytime Ryan hall zooms by.
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| Oh come on Billy, get out of the closet. 
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| Quote BillyRhino="BillyRhino"Ah, so you base your arguement on the fact that chimps do it, ergo we as part of the animal kingdom should also embrace sodomy? I'm sure you are aware that gang rape, murder and cannibilism are also part of the chimps lifestyle, should we also accept that as "natural" behaviour as well? Life in Horsforth has certainly changed over the last 30 years!
Why not simply accept, that there is a large swath of the population who do not really care what the gay people do in the persuit of their personal happiness, but would simply prefer that they get on with it, without constantly attempting to justify their inclinations, or by belittling others beliefs? Live and let live Mcf. Until it gets made compulsory....
And if we're going to to persue the pink pound as part of a marketing ploy, can I make a plea to The Management to have them allocated their own part of the ground. The last thing I want, is to be sat in the northstand with my view of the pitch obscurred by row upon row of Boy George hat wearing types, ooohing and aaahing everytime Ryan hall zooms by.'"

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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"I'd take issue with that and say that most Christians I know believe that such behaviour [iis[/i natural, in the sense that mankind is naturally susceptible to sin. I certainly consider homosexual 'acts' to be on a par with other immoralities such as sex outside of marriage, sins whereby man submits to temptation.
I don't want to get bogged down in the whole 'gay debate', but I thought it was important to make the distinction between things you cannot change (race, disability) and things you can change with the help of the Holy Spirit (homosexual inclinations).
My ten bobs worth.'"
You do know your avatar was gay don't you? 
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"You do know your avatar was gay don't you?
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Yes, Minister 
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"I would however question your last paragraph as it seems to be constructed in a convenient way for you to be critical of homosexuality while having some sort of logical structure to your belief.
If its true that you cannot change race or disability (which patently it is) and you accept that homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice (which you do), then how can and why should homosexuals be expected to refrain from sexual contact for the whole of their lives, and its not just christianity who treat homosexual physical contact in this discriminatory way.'"
The difference is that I believe that homosexual activity is sinful, not the inclination. You can't act black, or Asian, or brain damaged, but you can knowingly choose to engage in homosexual relations, which is what Christians have a problem with. Not everyone feels this way of course, I accept that, but that is the Christian position.
The greatest swindle of the last century is the elevation of homosexuality to parity with heterosexual marriage. I believe that homosexuality is not an equal sexual 'orientation' and that it ought to be classed as a sexual immorality.
Of course I should reiterate that no gay person deserves to be bullied, threatened or hurt because of how they feel. "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a cliche but it is very true. I will therefore stand up for my right to tell such people what I think is best for them - after all, that's what the Bible tells us to do.
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"
The greatest swindle of the last century is the elevation of homosexuality to parity with heterosexual marriage. I believe that homosexuality is not an equal sexual 'orientation' and that it ought to be classed as a sexual immorality.
Of course I should reiterate that no gay person deserves to be bullied, threatened or hurt because of how they feel. "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a cliche but it is very true. I will therefore stand up for my right to tell such people what I think is best for them - after all, that's what the Bible tells us to do.'"
Your right is absolute.
Homosexual "marriage" is of course not an option, yet, but this country led most of the world in recognising that homosexual couples should be given some legal entity and that is all that the civil registry ceremony offers, a legal title.
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| .... And there lies the key. Why such reverence for a book written by scientifically unenlightened men ?
Which version of the bible incidentally ? And do YOU take it all literally or are you selective with it so that it sits better with your own personal comfort or agenda ?
Anyways each to their own....
.....as for the chimps, as long as there is mutual adult ~consent~ go for it
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile".... And there lies the key. Why such reverence for a book written by scientifically unenlightened men ?
Which version of the bible incidentally ? And do YOU take it all literally or are you selective with it so that it sits better with your own personal comfort or agenda ?'"
What has science got to do with it?
I do take what could be labelled as a 'literal stance' on the Bible, but it is actually impossible to read the whole thing literally. The Bible is a compendium of many books, of different genres, written by different authors over 1500 years. For example, the NT uses a lot of imagery and metaphorical language, (especially the Book of Revelation, which is just mindbending stuff if taken literally) and when John referred to the 'lamb' it is clear that he was not referring to a literal animal, but Jesus Christ.
A good Bible believing church can help guide you through Bible study, if you're interested in this sort of thing.
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