Come in TVOC.

agreed.
people acting like were the worst team in SL, we can't be doing too much wrong if were 2nd in the league.

Another great point for debate ... how many penalty counts have we actually won this season?

Without any stats, my gut feeling is we have lost the majority?

This lack of discipline is hurting us, the coach has publically stated it's a priority to fix this but the players are showing massive frustration with referees on the field.

Is this paranoia coming from the top down, could it be McClennan encouraging an "everyone is against us" mentality that is backfiring?

Another example of this is how quickly Bentham seems to be taking on the "public enemy No 1" tag at Headingley .... instantly replacing Klein.

Bluey came out last season and said that we had "just" managed to peak at the right time after that horrid mid season slump and turn it into another GF win.

He also said this season that we were going to peak "at the right time" that to me is the end of the season, where it matters.

Il trust the coach and players for now, rather than the rabid masses to accomplish this.

yep! as i said earlier, in bluey we trust

We has shown how to peak at the right time in previous seasons and St Helens haven't therefore i am confident...

LOL @ this.

I don't have the full penalty count for the away fixture at Warrington but here are the ten Leeds games so far with counts, (Penalties awarded to Leeds stated first.)

6-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 03 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Celtic Crusaders ….. Ben Thaler ….. 7 ….. 5
13-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 01 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wakefield Trinity Wildcats ….. Steve Ganson ….. 11 ….. 11
20-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 02 ….. Hull KR V Leeds Rhinos ….. Phil Bentham ….. 5 ….. 12
1-Mar-09 ….. WC - Final ….. Leeds Rhinos V Manly Sea Eagles ….. Jason Robinson ….. 14 ….. 13
8-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 04 ….. Warrington Wolves V Leeds Rhinos ….. Steve Ganson ….. ?? ….. 7
13-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 05 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wigan Warriors ….. Ian Smith ….. 6 ….. 6
20-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 06 ….. St Helens V Leeds Rhinos ….. Phil Bentham ….. 6 ….. 9
27-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 07 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Les Catalans ….. Ben Thaler ….. 10 ….. 9
5-Apr-09 ….. CC - 04 ….. Leeds Rhinos V St Helens ….. Phil Bentham ….. 8 ….. 9
10-Apr-09 ….. 14 - 08 ….. Bradford Bulls V Leeds Rhinos ….. Ian Smith ….. 6 ….. 12

That appears to be 3 wins 2 even and 4 losses from the nine available. Warrington away - Steve Ganson - you decide if that makes the count look better or worse.

Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.

Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.

Not so sure there is too much they can do in that regards.

I dont want to sound paranoid, but a typical example was last night.

Bradford were in the Leeds half, and were playing the ball 8 meters inside the half way line, 2 metres short of the 40 line. Leeds were lined up clearly on the replay on the 30 metre line. You dont have to be good at Maths to work out that is 12 metres back. 10 metres to be onside, yet Leeds were penalised for offiside.

I have no doubt a couple of players stepped in front of Smith, but they were clearly taken 12 metres back, not 10. Yet penalized.

Oh and anothe penatly was for the technicality of the Burrow no try. I need clarification on this, but I was told by a nerdy nut at my gym this morning who has databases on all this poop, that the last time on his records that that offence was pulled was in 1982.

Like I said, dont want to sound paranoid, but I dont see what the players can do to stop those two examples.

Have you seen the size of Bradford's pitch? I'd be suprised if they were even 10 meters back, let alone 12.

Don't let the whitewash fool you...