Absolutely nothing like Jack Walker.

Gale was banned for punching, and walked out of a training session, all whilst being the captain.

Just 4 games ago, most on here thought we were well placed for a top 4 finish.

I think Agar has done a good job in stabilising the club post-Furner and there was certainly effort and unity from the team who played in Round 1 against Wire.

I've been a supporter of Agar since he was appointed, but I do wonder if his strong suit is being a stabilising influence, breaking up cliques and creating a comfortable environment for players.

If that's the case, it's all well and good, but it will only take him so far. I cannot imagine him putting rockets up @rses or being the greatest motivator when the team is 18 down at half time.

The players seem to like him but maybe this squad now needs someone who is a bit more abrasive, dynamic and has good tactical nouse.

I think he's a decent bloke and he certainly cares. I wouldn't be surprised if he walks of his own accord if we go down to Salford.

That’s what the majority of us Hull fans thought and eventually hoped but it never happened. Think while the Hetheringtons are involved Agar is unlikely to go of his own accord. Thankfully Pearson bought the club and promptly dispensed of his services.

Yes, and then we lost 4 from our first 5 and it's become apparent very quickly that there's been no progression and we are way way off.

It may take more fan pressure to get rid of Agar, it's not nice, but we really need to not have him as a coach anymore and to appoint someone good, because this season is going to be an excruciating waste of time.

Saints are an absolute machine.
So impressive to watch.

I actually find it a bit clinical. Impressive but clinical and not entertaining.

Id give my back teeth for us to be like that though don’t get me wrong.

What Sts show is that coaching makes an enormous difference. They have some better players than us but the whole team plays with confidence and works to a plan. Put one or two of our players in there, even the ones who are playing really badly, and they'd also look really good. Do it the other way round and they might stand out for a bit but eventually they'd get dragged down to the standard the rest of the team is at. Walmsley is probably the exception because simply he's something we don't have. We'd somehow make him look like a pudding within weeks though....

Correct - it's absolutely down to the coaching, conditioning and the culture at the club.
We don't seem to have any of those at the moment.

I thought we'd brought back to the club the best conditioner in the game?

Im not sure we look unfit, we look disinterested and not bothered.

The forwards might look gassed but that’s because we haven’t got enough of them.

I was talking about the length of time they were out over 2 years.
If I played under Agar I would probably punch someone and walk out

The forwards are the issue - he is one of them - but he seems to escape criticism on here regardless of his performance. Hull just battered Leeds down the middle of Thursday what does that tell you?. All the others get stick on here but not him - Prior and Tetavano especially - is that justified?