Of course Galloway has to be included as he was a first choice experienced prop contracted at the start of the season and only retired a few games into the new season. He was not replaced so the squad had 3 first choice (17) big men missing for so much of the season plus new signing Peteru which make 4 props out! Which clubs had 4 big props out for as long? which were on top of all the other long term injuries.

It is ridiculous to ignore these facts and dismiss them out of hand when looking for reasons for our poor performance and for you to have suggested the Leeds club management and medical staff did not get Garbutt's knee injury "fixed up properly" is further evidence of you anti club agenda.

We beat them in 2014. Anyway, we may be poor but Widnes are down right awful at the minute. If we can't beat them with SL status on the line should it be when we play them then we deserve to be playing championship rugby next season.

LEEDS WILL WIN ALL 7 GAMES.

Our defence needs to significantly improve if that’s to be the case

I'm not anti the club - they are in a difficult position with the investment they have had to make in the stadium.

What I am not into is defending a coach like McDermott that should have done better than he did with the resources at his disposal. As has been said on here I get losing to the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington even Cas but losing to the likes of Widnes, Catalans before their form improved, Huddersfield is poor management regardless of the squad make up.

McDermott had resources he chose not to use e.g. Ormonroyd, Smith, Lilley which would have provided some breathing space for injured/over used players. That is before we get into conditioning, youth development and tactics.

He's back - Rhinos win a couple of games and he's back

Which competition are Hull in and which competition are Leeds in?

Are Hull guaranteed a place in SL at this moment in time - a simple yes/no answer will do.

So i would suggest whilst Hull haven't had a great season their fall from grace has been significantly less than Leeds despite an equally bad run of injuries.

My man. We're on the same page bro.

What are you talking about?

McDermott picked Smith in 14 games whereas Sinfield has only picked him in 1 game out of 6. He has played more minutes this year than Walters, Oledski, Mullally, Garbutt, Dwyer, Keinhorst and Peteru and has developed very well under McDermott this year.

Ormandroyd was selected for 8 matches including the first run of games including the WCC match down under. However he did not grab his chance the way Oledski did and showed too many mistakes in defense. Lilley unfortunately has never played well enough to secure regular spot and Sinfield having tried him for one game has not selected him again.

I am not saying that BMcD did not make errors or that I agreed with everything he did but the injury crisis for the first half of the year was a serious one and having no big men on top of not having replaced McGuire and Sinfield left the team totally unbalance and reliant on experienced youngsters.

Are you suggesting our defense has improved since we changed coach?

Haven't had a great season

PS, they're both in Super League unless one of them gets relegated, not that that's relevant as we're talking about Hull.

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so why not replace galloway? why not get a prop in earlier? we obviously had cap space.

Even with our leaky defence ???