I think the packs main issue is consistency, they’ve shown they can get on top of the best packs in the league, they just don’t show it enough, which is concerning

The problem with the slow ruck is we don't have the skill set to regularly break teams down when the ruck isn't completely broken down. Perhaps if we had this would not be the problem it is.

Gannon has improved loads tho, back end of last year and glimpses when he’s played this year, wasn’t he in the England squad even tho he was injured?

Smith quite often he is good in attack tho. He’s been given loads of praise this year, team of the weeks, people saying he should be in the England squad etc, he wasn’t good last night but there’s a decent player there

Good to see the return of all the posters that went missing after the Wire and Hudds wins

yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the death of graham Murray.
he would have won the league with this set of players

Smith is a very strong defender and that is where he gets the praise - he stifles a lot of the attack as he did last night - that is not rare.

Gannon you cannot say he has improved - he simply hasn't played for months. He may well be a better player but there is not tangible evidence to judge him.

What is happening with the likes of Sinfield and Simpson - does the coach not trust them - it is not as if he team is winning each week.

Is lasts night game the only game to judge them on, what about the previous two games against saints?

And anyway my point is about the squad longer term, The pack is not our issue in that regard.

I wouldn’t trust Simpson either seeing as he’s recovering from a season long ACL injury.

Sinfield is 18 he’ll get his chance hence him signing a long term deal.

A man who transformed the club single handedly - always had time for the fans who attend fan forums and would explain the performances and his decisions.

No way the players would get away with performances that we see week in week out - they simply wouldn't get selected. Look at Barrie Mac - relegated to Bramley. His standards were a world away from what we see these days.

The finest coach the club had in the SL era and superb human being - sadly missed

shows the coach is the most important man at the club. he sets the standards

I would agree with that - I think the spine is weak and needs attention. In the backs only Handley and Newman if they can ever get him fit would remain. It is time for a serious overhaul.

Watched the game last night as a neutral and was most amused to hear Leeds fans singing about being 'on our way to Old Trafford'.

Which Old Trafford is that as you've spend nearly all the season comfortably outside the play off spots, your not nearly good enough to get to the Grand Final and that joke football club Leeds Utd got relegated yet again last season so they won't be pitching up at Old Trafford anytime soon either.

Completely agree - look at Man City who sets the standards!!

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if we are selecting games to make a point then cas x 2, wakey x2, HKR x2, hull, wire first up. how was our pack then?