16 tackles and one miss in the short time he was on. Average gain running in of 9 metres per carry.

As a Wigan fan I expected to see plenty of Holroyd yesterday as it looked like he’d been lined up to have a crack at his fellow young forwards in our pack. I believe he’d played for years with Smithies at Siddal and he was in the front row with Havard for the England academy against the Aussies. Unless he was injured, I was surprised to see so little of him.

Why? Is he injured again?

It's cup week Jack

Always check your fixture card.

Aren't we in the cup? I thought we played Hull KR?

Following round

Aye. I'm sure someone on this thread also took from last night that hes not ready. Lam on the other hand though trusted his peers.

Agree with all of that. Add into that Holroyd first start, Thompson on debut, Briscoe and also Sutcliffe just back from injury. On a wider level this is a new team and squad. Lui and Gale are also new. We have only Cuthbo and Tom Briscoe left from 2015. Having some experienced club men is really important. From 2015, we should have still had Ward, Watkins, Hardaker and Liam Sutcliffe and Singo as a small core of continuity and experience which has not happened for various reasons. Also maybe Moon. Huge changes from 2017 as well.

We have a squad with very few players at their peak.
We have made 50 handling errors in the last 3 games, even though Cuthbo had a mare second half, think he has been really good in the last 12 months and is key to our attack.

Reduce the errors and improve last tackle plays and we will be much better and be able to beat the lesser sides.

I agree on cuthbo.Even though he was massively frustrating at least he was playing with gritted teeth and looked like he genuinely wanted to compete.Being able to say that about 3/4 of our props in any one game and that alone will noticeably improve us imo.

It may well be the case he's young and he hasn't played much but to be given 18 minutes is a joke really. Oledzki was excellent. Cuthbo was too aside from the errors.

We had very little punch from any of the other forwards though.

It was just one of those godawful ones with Cuthbo that the more he tried, the worse it got.

The mistakes in themselves seemed to come just when we were building up a head of steam and feeling our way back in, that's the frustrating part.

No shortage of effort from the team on Sunday and I felt sorry for Cuthbo who has returned after the break looking very fit. However, quality teams need more than just effort. Rhinos need more pace........ as illustrated in all the 3 games played since the resumption and some creativity in the forwards. I thought Smith would provide some of that but he’s turned into an enthusiastic, hardworking second rower without any real creativity. Maybe he will improve but I haven’t seen any evidence thus far. Not easy to resolve either deficiency but solutions must be found. Thompson will fill a gap for the remainder of the season but no more than that. Lao think it will take time for the new half back partnership to gel ......... at least we have the time this year to experiment without any relegation threats etc.

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Creativity will come, individually and collectively, when we get on top of the opposition.I reckon we have plenty of forwards with a bit of skill in them but if we can't win the arm wrestle then we end looking lightweight and get flattened.

Lui looked a complete different player in the vid released today, have they been starving him since hudds game?