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Quote: Norman Bates "Unfortun It’s does look that way, but we are in the same comp as you on a fraction of the money, so says little for the embarrassing season you’ve had.'"


Very few on here are under an illusion as to how embarrassing this season has been for the club. Hopefully a few of the higher-up individuals will look in the mirror and makes sure the mistakes that have been made are not repeated.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Toronto looked poor to me - a team of bottom four quality players.

Other than the venue I am unsure what they will add to the SL competition?

Halifax look so far out of the depth to be an embarrassment.'"


After round 2, here is my latest Prediction, surprisingly 4 Wins may for the 1st time guarantee safety. Subject to points difference.
But letting 4 try's in the last 15 minutes did not help!

14 Salford Win - Toronto (H), Toulouse (H), Leeds (A), London (A), Halifax (A)
12 Hull KR Win - London (H), Widnes (H), Halifax (H), Leeds (A), Toulouse (A)
8 Leeds Win - Toronto (H) Halifazx (A) - Loss to Salford (H). HKR (H), Widnes (A)
8 Toronto Win - London (H), Widnes (H), Toulouse (H) - Loss to HKR (H), Leeds (A), Salford (A)
6 London Win - Halifax (H), Toulouse (H) - Loss HKR (A) Salford (H), Toronto (A)
6 Widnes Win - Leeds (H), Halifax (H), Toulouse (A) - Loss HKR (A), Toronto (A),
2 Toulouse Win - none - Loss - (HKR (H), Widnes (H), Toronto (A), London (A), Salford (A)
0 Halifax Win - none - Loss - Leeds (H), Salford (H), HKR (A), London (A), Widnes (A)

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Quote: Homer Simpson "After round 2, here is my latest Prediction, surprisingly 4 Wins may for the 1st time guarantee safety. Subject to points difference.
But letting 4 try's in the last 15 minutes did not help!

14 Salford Win - Toronto (H), Toulouse (H), Leeds (A), London (A), Halifax (A)
12 Hull KR Win - London (H), Widnes (H), Halifax (H), Leeds (A), Toulouse (A)
8 Leeds Win - Toronto (H) Halifazx (A) - Loss to Salford (H). HKR (H), Widnes (A)
8 Toronto Win - London (H), Widnes (H), Toulouse (H) - Loss to HKR (H), Leeds (A), Salford (A)
6 London Win - Halifax (H), Toulouse (H) - Loss HKR (A) Salford (H), Toronto (A)
6 Widnes Win - Leeds (H), Halifax (H), Toulouse (A) - Loss HKR (A), Toronto (A),
2 Toulouse Win - none - Loss - (HKR (H), Widnes (H), Toronto (A), London (A), Salford (A)
0 Halifax Win - none - Loss - Leeds (H), Salford (H), HKR (A), London (A), Widnes (A)'"


You seriously think we'll lose to Widnes, Salford and Hull KR?

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Not sure why, but HKR haven't yet been the force in the M8s that they threatened to be. In many regards they were lucky to beat a Toronto side who were also a lot poorer than I'd expected. I'd be surprised if we didn't beat at least one of these sides at home.

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Quote: LeedsDave "You seriously think we'll lose to Widnes, Salford and Hull KR?'"


Salford seem to have hit a bit of form and possibly KR too, but I think we can even turn over Widnes, pity we don’t have them at home otherwise I’d really fancy us .

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Other clubs have had equal injury issues e.g. Hull and they haven't suffered anywhere near the calamatous season Leeds have had.

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Classic Sal.

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Quote: LeedsDave "You seriously think we'll lose to Widnes, Salford and Hull KR?'"


We have only won once at Widnes in 6 years, and that was the cup game earlier in the season. We are not good on the plastic pitch, even with the form Widnes are going through it will be close.
We are still leaking points and both HKR matches this season have been close.
While Salford are on form and turned us over only last month.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "What I think is too much is being made out of the loss of pretty average props - Mulally would be nowhere near getting a place in any of the top 4/5 sides. His loss is not even worth considering when reviewing McDermott's performance.

Other clubs have had equal injury issues e.g. Hull and they haven't suffered anywhere near the calamatous season Leeds have had.

Galloway never started so cannot be included, he missed a big chunk of 2017 and he wasn't missed - so we are talking about Garbutt and Peteru, who let's face it has hardly pulled up a lot of trees since his return. You are simply looking for excuses to defend the indefensible.'"


Of course Galloway has to be included as he was a first choice experienced prop contracted at the start of the season and only retired a few games into the new season. He was not replaced so the squad had 3 first choice (17) big men missing for so much of the season plus new signing Peteru which make 4 props out! Which clubs had 4 big props out for as long? which were on top of all the other long term injuries.

It is ridiculous to ignore these facts and dismiss them out of hand when looking for reasons for our poor performance and for you to have suggested the Leeds club management and medical staff did not get Garbutt's knee injury "fixed up properly" is further evidence of you anti club agenda.

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Quote: Homer Simpson "We have only won once at Widnes in 6 years, and that was the cup game earlier in the season. We are not good on the plastic pitch, even with the form Widnes are going through it will be close.
We are still leaking points and both HKR matches this season have been close.
While Salford are on form and turned us over only last month.'"


We beat them in 2014. Anyway, we may be poor but Widnes are down right awful at the minute. If we can't beat them with SL status on the line should it be when we play them then we deserve to be playing championship rugby next season.

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LEEDS WILL WIN ALL 7 GAMES.

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Quote: LJ54 "LEEDS WILL WIN ALL 7 GAMES.'"

Our defence needs to significantly improve if that’s to be the case

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Of course Galloway has to be included as he was a first choice experienced prop contracted at the start of the season and only retired a few games into the new season. He was not replaced so the squad had 3 first choice (17) big men missing for so much of the season plus new signing Peteru which make 4 props out! Which clubs had 4 big props out for as long? which were on top of all the other long term injuries.

It is ridiculous to ignore these facts and dismiss them out of hand when looking for reasons for our poor performance and for you to have suggested the Leeds club management and medical staff did not get Garbutt's knee injury "fixed up properly" is further evidence of you anti club agenda.'"


I'm not anti the club - they are in a difficult position with the investment they have had to make in the stadium.

What I am not into is defending a coach like McDermott that should have done better than he did with the resources at his disposal. As has been said on here I get losing to the likes of Wigan, Saints, Warrington even Cas but losing to the likes of Widnes, Catalans before their form improved, Huddersfield is poor management regardless of the squad make up.

McDermott had resources he chose not to use e.g. Ormonroyd, Smith, Lilley which would have provided some breathing space for injured/over used players. That is before we get into conditioning, youth development and tactics.

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Quote: loiner81 "Classic Sal.'"


He's back - Rhinos win a couple of games and he's back icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "He's back - Rhinos win a couple of games and he's back
I've always been a glory hunter.

Now tell me more about how Hull aren't having a calamitous season Sal and why they're not having a calamitous season.
Since winning the Hull grand final against Hull in mid-May they've won just 2 games, both were at home and against Salford & Widnes - the 2 worst teams in the comp.
If they continue not having a calamitous season they'll finish the season in 8th place, 1 place above Leeds Rhinos who, I think we'll all agree, had had a pretty calamitous season.

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Quote: loiner81 "I've always been a glory hunter.

Now tell me more about how Hull aren't having a calamitous season Sal and why they're not having a calamitous season.
Since winning the Hull grand final against Hull in mid-May they've won just 2 games, both were at home and against Salford & Widnes - the 2 worst teams in the comp.
If they continue not having a calamitous season they'll finish the season in 8th place, 1 place above Leeds Rhinos who, I think we'll all agree, had had a pretty calamitous season.'"


Which competition are Hull in and which competition are Leeds in?

Are Hull guaranteed a place in SL at this moment in time - a simple yes/no answer will do.

So i would suggest whilst Hull haven't had a great season their fall from grace has been significantly less than Leeds despite an equally bad run of injuries.

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