It has been boring rugby throughout his tenure on a large percentage. I agree some games we have produced, certainly when we had the players to back it up, but each year has got worse in terms of quality on offer.

Now if you look at it from a Leeds fan perspecitve, the GF win last year can not be described as boring, that is entirely true because of the drama involved. But even then the actual quality of play on the night was drab. But if you look at it from a neutral perspective, god we are a boring team, and this is backed up wtih the scoring stats also over the years, in terms of try scoring and opportunities created.

Nah theres been some great rugby played as I say maybe not enough for some but to just dismiss it all as turgid, as I say, seems disingenuous.

The quality wasn't great in the GF but everyones favourite team Cas tried to play exciting stuff and not the conditions, it didn't turn out well for them.

It's difficult to look at it neutral but from other fans I've spoken to they actually like the off the cuff play we adopt, but as a fan I can see how it is frustrating sometimes

Frustrating? That's an understatement.

We don't have the ability to come up with a Plan B if Plan A isn't working.
Sometimes it even feels like we don't have a Plan A.

This has been picked up on Sky when they interview other team players.
Two or three if I recall have said the same thing that it is difficult to play against Leeds as their game plan is off the cuff and even their (Leeds) own players don`t seem to know what they are doing at times.
Pretty much says it all.

I think you'll find that was Jon Wilkin and he was saying it as a compliment as they had just been beaten by Leeds.

And when it works it looks great. Unfortunately when it doesn't, we don't have anything decisive in our locker to fall back on.

Players stood still receiving the ball, players making 30 yards sideways, no dummy runners, same turgid predictable last tackle options (Moons hoof, Mylers kick for touch, tackled with ball in hand 10 meters out) We just don't have anyone in our team able / prepared to take the squad by the scruff of the neck during a game and lead them. Shut down Myler, shut down Leeds.

Yes Wilkin was one but I think the other was Kev Brown and I seem to think a Cas player but cannot be certain.
Not sure it is that much of a compliment mate if our own players don`t know what we are doing.
Must be a n easy gig as coach at the Rhinos if the message is "just do your own thing and baffle the opposition"

Given our results this year it doesn't seem like anyone's having any difficulty with our 'unpredictable' play, and neither did they in 2016. I think the whole unstructured thing is overplayed - we did have structure in 2015, in the GF we played a very controlled game. Ditto earlier wins, and even last year. A game based around offloads ccan still be structured, and in fact only works if everyone knows what's intended and reacts accordingly.

'Unstructured' is often used as cover for poor play. The most entertaining sides in the game have thrown the ball around a lot but with some semblance of a plan. When you see a side with players bunched in the middle for multiple tackles in a set, no movement by players without the ball to create space, and one man rugby for 4 out of 5 tackles, you aren't watching unstructured, you're watching rubbish. Hand on heart I think Leeds have been terrible to watch most of this year, all of 2016 and a lot of last year as well.

I’d second you.

The standard of play from us has been terrible this year, we haven’t had one game where we’ve played a full 80. We’ve got by with 20/30 min bursts before these injuries have forced out players.