.... this is what I mean by been a realist and it will stop me from voting 'out'. It is frightening. The EU is far from perfect but it is better than handing total power to these gobes. There is so much uncertainty in the outcome of this vote...but [iwe can be certain[/i of what you state here if we do vote 'out' .. Rest assured no forthcoming general election will change this because of our voting system and state of the opposition. Without Scotland (a real possibility) it is even more certain.

It is enough on its own for me to vote 'in'

As often in this country it is always a vote for the lesser of two evils. The price of a gloating Cameron and especially Osborne is less worse than seeing Johnson as PM with the other gobes in tow.

Agree with this.

No. I'm voting to leave the EU, I'm not voting to elect anyone. I think I made a strong enough point that I don't share the politics of the idiots lined up to lead the Brexit campaign any more than those who vote to stay would follow tha politics of Osbourne and Cameron. For me one of the few positives of the campaign is that it's clearly obvious that Boris is totally unfit for any office. Win or lose they are finished. If the referendum has neutered Cameron and Osbourne for the rest of the parliament then that's another win.

I believe something needs to change and only a leave vote will do that. As for Scottish independence, last thing on my mind. I didn't get any vote on it last time they had a referendum.

There may well be plenty of factual info out there,but there is a lot of sh?!- too ( both sides) but mainly scare stories from remain and this is the kind of stuff that people will be reading if any!
Unfortunately some people are pretty stupid and beleave just about anything that the British government tells them and I think that they will scare enough people into voting for remain.

They aren't finished though. Too many rich and influential people including the people behind big business and the media will ensure their survival regardless of the vote.

We're not going to agree on this (which is why I didn't want to start it) but it doesn't really matter what you want from your vote or the reasons behind it, what matters is what you get from it, and you won't get what you think.

And I think my more apocalyptic vision of eternal Tory rule augmented by a empowered far right is a lot more likely than any positive localism or more accountable government. (And anyway accountable to who? To the resurgent right of little England?) The 'change' that's motivating you to vote is going to be for the worse. And before anyone says Remain Project Fear just have a look at your golf-club Goebbels spearhead in front of his race-baiting posters. Again *that's* what, that's who you're voting for. It might not have been when this started, but it is now.

like or loath them they are a million times better than corbyn in there

What a disgusting, fear-mongering apology for a point of view that drivel is

You're right. We're not going to agree.

Expand, if you're bright enough.

Well *that's* agreed, at least.

No expansion necessary. I have re-read your post & there is not one ounce (in your case, gramme?) of fact or reasoned argument. Just a load of single-minded, fear-inducing speculation.

Your argument is that of a six year old:
"If you don't let me ride your bike, the bogey man will come & get you in the middle of the night"