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| Quote: Gotcha "Err, I haven't stuck to my guns at all. I think you will find I have consistently praised his attitude, work rate, and great hands over the very weeks he has played this year. I think he is much better than my initial assessment.
What he isn't however is anything close to some others current assessment, and after only a few games. Over the last few weeks in the backrow, he had gone from a couple of very good games (one where I stated he was MOM), to looking very lightweight there, and in his last game very indecisive.
Where you feel I have stuck to my guns, I feel others are creaming their pants far too early. He still hasn't made it, and it might be having him as a filler might not do that. I happen to think unlike others, that if he did bulk he would have a much better chance in the backrow, than has a back where he is distinctly below average. But his great hands and willingness to put his body on the line is really suiting of the backrow.
At the moment, until he really hits his straps, I would put him in the same sort of category of a Phil Hassan, and Adam Hughes, sort of player, who is striving to become a Chris Clarkson.
And for balance here, when a player like Danny Kirmond was linked with here, it was met with much underwhelming on here. This was a player pushing for international, and very consistent in that season. Where's the consistency on the views? My initial view on Keinhorst was that he wouldn't make a super league centre. Until he does we are in the same boat.
More games like his first couple in the backrow, and I will very gladly give the lad the praise he deserves (and for Leeds benefit I hope that happens). However, more games like his last couple, and if he is holding back the progression of players like Minchella and Cameron Smith, then I will also state it. For now though, he is a million times better than Walters, and whilst Ward is out I would rather see him in than a starting backrow of the other options at the side of Ablett. I would like nothing more than the lad to put in a man of the match performance over next few weeks. I really do like the lads attitude and commitment.'"
The problem Gotcha is that you didn't express your view on Keinhorst in the balanced way you have done above. There's little I can disagree with what you've said about Keinhorst. I share your opinion on his overall talents and think he does need to bulk up for longevity in the pack or stay as he is as cover for centre. I actually think there's a lot to his game at centre than is better suited to the position than Moon but that is a different discussion.
The view that you expressed at the time was that he was a pet project who would never make a Super League player. That view was clearly wrong. He's playing with regularity, appeared in a major final and is now such a competent super league player that you think he was worthy of man of the match recently. Weren't you supposed to be baring your backside on the town hall about now? It's the over the top bombastic way that you express your opinions that leads to them being challenged as much.
I agreed about Kirmond, by the way. Thought he would have been a brilliant signing but he's stagnated badly since then. Might not have done here mind.
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| Quote: Him "So we have 3 halves. If McGuire gets injured you play Burrow. How many should we have in the squad, just in case they get injured?
If this is how we're judging "lightness" in areas of the squad then we need at least 1 more full back, a winger, 2 centres and 2 hookers even if Aiton is still with us.
Most SL clubs are struggling to find 2 decent halfbacks in their squad never mind 3. We managed perfectly fine for 8/9 years with 3 halves. It's only been since the emergence of Sutcliffe we've had the luxury of 4.
If we sign a halfback its for the future, to take over from McGuire/Burrow not because we're lacking depth in that position.'"
This is spot on. In a salary cap sport with a 25 man squad then you can't really have a HB of decent quality just hanging around in case of injury. That's like buying a very good goalkeeper in football and just having him sat on the bench every week as backup to the starting keeper.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "This is spot on. In a salary cap sport with a 25 man squad then you can't really have a HB of decent quality just hanging around in case of injury. That's like buying a very good goalkeeper in football and just having him sat on the bench every week as backup to the starting keeper.'"
Yep. It would also be virtually impossible to do because good quality halves aren't going to sign for a club where they're 4th choice in the same way as top goalkeepers don't stay very long at a football club as no.2 choice.
If disaster strikes and we lose Sutcliffe, McGuire & Burrow to injury then Lilley will have to step up alongside someone moved from another position, probably either Hardaker or Moon. That's what happens when you get unlucky injuries like that. It doesn't mean you stockpile players in one position just in case of injuries. It would be a waste of time, money & salary cap space to sign a 4th halfback to add depth.
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| Quote: G1 "The problem Gotcha is that you didn't express your view on Keinhorst in the balanced way you have done above. There's little I can disagree with what you've said about Keinhorst. I share your opinion on his overall talents and think he does need to bulk up for longevity in the pack or stay as he is as cover for centre. I actually think there's a lot to his game at centre than is better suited to the position than Moon but that is a different discussion.
The view that you expressed at the time was that he was a pet project who would never make a Super League player. That view was clearly wrong. He's playing with regularity, appeared in a major final and is now such a competent super league player that you think he was worthy of man of the match recently. Weren't you supposed to be baring your backside on the town hall about now? It's the over the top bombastic way that you express your opinions that leads to them being challenged as much.
I agreed about Kirmond, by the way. Thought he would have been a brilliant signing but he's stagnated badly since then. Might not have done here mind.'"
Your right about saying he was a pet project, but my actual words following that were "never make a super league centre" as long as I have a hole in my backside. Now, that might be fair to say a bit pedantic, and the truth is I never thought of him as a backrower, but those were the actual comments.
I also said Yates was nothing more than a bit of PR to make the relationship with Hunslet look two way, and that he would never make it.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Your right about saying he was a pet project, but my actual words following that were "never make a super league centre" as long as I have a hole in my backside. Now, that might be fair to say a bit pedantic, and the truth is I never thought of him as a backrower, but those were the actual comments.
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| Quote: Him "So we have 3 halves. If McGuire gets injured you play Burrow. How many should we have in the squad, just in case they get injured?
If this is how we're judging "lightness" in areas of the squad then we need at least 1 more full back, a winger, 2 centres and 2 hookers even if Aiton is still with us.
Most SL clubs are struggling to find 2 decent halfbacks in their squad never mind 3. We managed perfectly fine for 8/9 years with 3 halves. It's only been since the emergence of Sutcliffe we've had the luxury of 4.
If we sign a halfback its for the future, to take over from McGuire/Burrow not because we're lacking depth in that position.'"
Half back is a specialist position. The three quarters can be swapped around not only with backs but some forwards too. Watkins has played all three variants this year, Hardaker has played all three in previous seasons. Ablett has played in the 3/4s too. That argument is spurious at best.
Most SL clubs have at least 3 options if not 4 at half back to only have two - one of which is 32 and one of which is returning from a career threatening injury seems light to me. Would you really want to have Sutcliffe/Burrow as your starting half backs? Burrow is the hooking cover could now be the only hooker if Aiton is off. The squad seems very unbalanced to me - very forward dominated and little cover in the backs. A Dunneman type i.e. not massively expensive but a solid performer would be what I had in mind - perhaps the money spent on Mullally/Achurch would have been better invested elsewhere.
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| chris bridge, even at 31, would have been that player for me
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Half back is a specialist position. The three quarters can be swapped around not only with backs but some forwards too. Watkins has played all three variants this year, Hardaker has played all three in previous seasons. Ablett has played in the 3/4s too. That argument is spurious at best.
Most SL clubs have at least 3 options if not 4 at half back to only have two - one of which is 32 and one of which is returning from a career threatening injury seems light to me. Would you really want to have Sutcliffe/Burrow as your starting half backs? Burrow is the hooking cover could now be the only hooker if Aiton is off. The squad seems very unbalanced to me - very forward dominated and little cover in the backs. A Dunneman type i.e. not massively expensive but a solid performer would be what I had in mind - perhaps the money spent on Mullally/Achurch would have been better invested elsewhere.'"
So now that all your whinging, whining and writing off of this "tired & old" squad has been all but proved wrong in 2015, you've decided to start over on next year's squad.
You'll get it right eventually I guess.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Half back is a specialist position. The three quarters can be swapped around not only with backs but some forwards too. Watkins has played all three variants this year, Hardaker has played all three in previous seasons. Ablett has played in the 3/4s too. That argument is spurious at best.
Most SL clubs have at least 3 options if not 4 at half back to only have two - one of which is 32 and one of which is returning from a career threatening injury seems light to me. Would you really want to have Sutcliffe/Burrow as your starting half backs? Burrow is the hooking cover could now be the only hooker if Aiton is off. The squad seems very unbalanced to me - very forward dominated and little cover in the backs. A Dunneman type i.e. not massively expensive but a solid performer would be what I had in mind - perhaps the money spent on Mullally/Achurch would have been better invested elsewhere.'"
I'll repeat myself
Quote: Sal Paradise "Only if you assume that if Aiton leaves, we don't replace him'"
Talk about meeting trouble half way If Aiton Leaves and if Red Hall pass a rule that Leeds can't sign hookers and if the world stops turning. Burrow would be our only choice at hooker. I can see why you're stressing on this.
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| Quote: TOMCAT "I'll repeat myself
Talk about meeting trouble half way
Shhhhhhush! That's the boards resident "Realist" you're talking to
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| Burrow as our main 9 next year is a cause for concern .it has never worked successfully imo.
Can't blame Aiton for looking at more cash at this point in his career . If he does go then we need a hooker.If not I'd rather see R Ward given a chance.
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| Quote: tad rhino "chris bridge, even at 31, would have been that player for me'"
No, no , no.
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| yes yes yes for me
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| Burrow at 9 significantly weakens Leeds in both attack and defence compared to Aiton being on the field. I'd rather see Aiton play the full 80 or sign someone who can.
With the reduction in interchanges, teams aren't going to want to use two of them to rotate their dummy halves so the "impact" hooker is going to become a thing of the past.
Burrow's role at Leeds in 2016 should be as the back-up half. IMO he shouldn't be anywhere near dummy half except in extreme emergencies.
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