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Quote: ThePrinter ""Nobody said that person was privileged or that person isnt. There is A privilege. It is A privilege that you arent subjected to the things homosexuals are. It is A privilege to not be disabled or suffer from mental illness. It is A privilege to be a relatively rich white man living in a western democracy in a country with a high standard of living. It is A privilege not to suffer the things Worlds Apart lists.

You are speaking from a position of having those privileges, dismissing the concerns and offence of those who dont."

Ok there you go, that I cut out "it's a privilege not to suffer the things Worlds Apart list" doesn't stop from what you said.

You can try and scramble your way out of it but it's clear as day and you'll only make a fool of yourself trying to do so. Maybe take a leaf out of Hardaker's book and just admit it.'"
i was clearly speaking in abstract terms, hence one of those was listed as a privilege you had, the rest as simply abstract privileges. Frankly im not really bothered whether you think i was saying you had those privileges listed. Its of no importance. You can keep trying to use it to score points but you will be doing it on your own.

Quote: ThePrinter "You can, but apparently when I agree with Cod'ead you try to dismiss it. Hypocrisy.'"
No, i have never dismissed you agreeing with Cod'ead, you can agree with whoever you want. What i dismiss is your repeated attempts to add legitimacy to your argument because you think Cod'ead agrees with your. Having one bisexual man sort of agree with you doesnt add anything to your argument. I dont agree with Worlds Apart to add legitimacy to what i say. I dont think im any more right because he agrees. You have repeatedly tried to add in the fact 'well a bisexual man agrees with me' as if it somehow adds something. it doesnt. Thats what is being dismissed

Also, just a note, it seems crazy that you are hiding behind what you believe to be Cod'eads agreement with you because he is bisexual, yet have chosen to argue against the opposite viewpoint put forward by a gay man who has told you why they are offended by it. What sense does that make?

Quote: ThePrinter "What the hell do you know about my experiences? Basing it on the my view of the Hardaker incident? Whose ignorant again?'"
Its ok, you told us. Numerous times. You are a straight man. You telling us you are a straight man led me to believe you werent a gay man.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "i was clearly speaking in abstract terms, hence one of those was listed as a privilege you had, the rest as simply abstract privileges. Frankly im not really bothered whether you think i was saying you had those privileges listed. Its of no importance. You can keep trying to use it to score points but you will be doing it on your own. '"


So if i am black and you called me a rich white man you think it's of no importance? Remind us of what you're arguing over in the first place?

Quote: SmokeyTA "No, i have never dismissed you agreeing with Cod'ead, you can agree with whoever you want. What i dismiss is your repeated attempts to add legitimacy to your argument because you think Cod'ead agrees with your. Having one bisexual man sort of agree with you doesnt add anything to your argument. I dont agree with Worlds Apart to add legitimacy to what i say. I dont think im any more right because he agrees. You have repeatedly tried to add in the fact 'well a bisexual man agrees with me' as if it somehow adds something. it doesnt. Thats what is being dismissed'"


Repeatedly? Really? I mentioned it once before you came up with your is Cod'ead the spokesman for gays comment. But over exaggerate if you must.


Quote: SmokeyTA "Its ok, you told us. Numerous times. You are a straight man. You telling us you are a straight man led me to believe you werent a gay man.'"


Really, how many times have I said I was straight?

Does experience only apply to those who are gay? Does having friends, family, work colleagues, ex-partners who were bisexual mean I'm devoid of experience on the subject?

If you're not gay should everything you say be viewed ignorant due to lack of experience?

I'm fully enjoying your digging of a massive hole though.

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Quote: ThePrinter "
Really, how many times have I said I was straight?

Does experience only apply to those who are gay? Does having friends, family, work colleagues, ex-partners who were bisexual mean I'm devoid of experience on the subject?

If you're not gay should everything you say be viewed ignorant due to lack of experience?

I'm fully enjoying your digging of a massive hole though.'"

Yes, everything you say should be viewed through the prism of this not being an experience you have had yourself, yet strangely feel comfortable in telling someone who has they are wrong.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes, everything you say should be viewed through the prism of this not being an experience you have had yourself, yet strangely feel comfortable in telling someone who has they are wrong.'"


Did I say he was wrong?

Still won't admit the white man/black man error you made?

Won't answer whether experience only counts for people who are gay?

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Quote: ThePrinter "Did I say he was wrong?
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yes you wrote a long post on the first page arguing against him.
Quote: ThePrinter "Won't answer whether experience only counts for people who are gay?'"

experience of this yes. If you arent gay or bisexual you dont have those experiences. You may have other experiences of something different, but well that's something different.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "yes you wrote a long post on the first page arguing against him.'"


Yes I debated his points. Did I say he was wrong except on the line he quoted about me from the other thread? No so stop embarrassing yourself.


Quote: SmokeyTA "experience of this yes. If you arent gay or bisexual you dont have those experiences. You may have other experiences of something different, but well that's something different.'"


You said I was DEVOID of experience though? Again your scrambling is quite pathetic.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Yes I debated his points. Did I say he was wrong except on the line he quoted about me from the other thread? No so stop embarrassing yourself.'"
Yes, you debated his points because you thought they were wrong. Theres not much debate in agreement.


Quote: ThePrinter "You said I was DEVOID of experience though? Again your scrambling is quite pathetic.'"
and in this context you are. Don't be a moron and pretend you thought i said you were devoid of experience in anything ever that would be as stupid as it would be boring.

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Quote: MjM "Evidently Leeds are lining themselves up on Hardaker's side. The club took the, correctly, strong internal view on him after the World Cup antics; this is the worse of the two incidents but I suspect they are now helping him out as best they can given he's not signed a further extension to his contract yet, not that it's imminently expiring.

As far as I'm concerned a 5-8 match ban would be appropriate from the RFL. Leeds should follow up whatever threats were made to him last year. At the very least, the fine he got then should be doubled; if he was on a final warning about future behaviour his contract should be terminated. Leeds RLFC should have little tolerance for the sort of chavvy and braindead antics that Hardaker too often involves himself in. If we lose a very good player, so be it.'"


If this were local government Zac would have gone by now, thankfully this is the hard world of commercial enterprise. Most businesses do not like losing their best talent - very bad for business - so they find a way of working matters out. Hopefully this common sense approach will be adopted and we can all move on.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes, you debated his points because you thought they were wrong. Theres not much debate in agreement.


and in this context you are. Don't be a moron and pretend you thought i said you were devoid of experience in anything ever that would be as stupid as it would be boring.'"



Do you ever actually just take your medicine and admit your errors or just constantly scramble and dig deeper?

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There's a real misunderstanding about Homophonia I agree. Homophobia is an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

Zaks comments were offensive but not homophobic.

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Quote: G1 "There's a real misunderstanding about Homophonia I agree. Homophobia is an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

Zaks comments were offensive but not homophobic.'"


No, Zak's comments were homophobic even if Zak's not a homophobe.

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What zak said was wrong, he's held his hands up and apologised, I can understand that people are offended and upset, but people also need to remember that everyone has said things "in a heat of a moment" and regretted it later. IMO a two game suspension and a hefty fine should be coming his way

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Quote: Walter white "What zak said was wrong, he's held his hands up and apologised, I can understand that people are offended and upset, but people also need to remember that everyone has said things "in a heat of a moment" and regretted it later. IMO a two game suspension and a hefty fine should be coming his way'"


Do you think that statement came from Hardaker? It does resemble something prepared by managers or lawyers.

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No matter what he said this place will have been rife with people with agendas of their own under the guise of being offended. It will have placated some and not others. That's their issue IMO. I noticed the Hull FC fans never came back. I wonder why. It's done, he's apologised and we await his punishment. The faux indignation matters not. Let the RFL do what they've got to do.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "
Not so well said.'"


Oh.

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