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| Quote rotherhamrhino="rotherhamrhino"I don't really care, actually thats not trus I do really care! The onlt benefit seems to be that we get back to P&R and ditch this ridiculous joke of a franchise scheme.'"
It's not really P&R though. How would the top 4 Championship teams currently on a £300k cap compete with the bottom 4 SL teams on a cap of £1.8m. The same for overseas quotas. I'd be surprised if under this system a single Championship team made it into SL.
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I don't like it they should get the SL reduced to 12 with 3 relegated and 1 promoted in the 1st year then straight 1 up 1 down there-after.
Also restore the CC to it's past date in May.
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I'm going to wait for Stevo's explanation of the proposed system before trying to form an opinion.
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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"I don't like it they should get the SL reduced to 12 with 3 relegated and 1 promoted in the 1st year then straight 1 up 1 down there-after.
Also restore the CC to it's past date in May.'"
I cant see the reason why we would choose this system, nor can I see the reasoning of those who want change for changes sake, or just because we ‘have to do something’. I really cannot see the reasoning for trying something we have already tried that didn’t work. |
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Formats similar to this have been tried in football and have been dropped after a couple of seasons. It is also very similar to the recent proposals for sweaty sock kiss ball which the SPL/SFL have failed to push through.
I like a lot of fellow fans I speak want more intense matches, however this IMO is not the way.
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| Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"Bloody hell, misread it then. That is absolutely awful. Quite often clubs have a period with a lot of players missing through injury, generally over the 7 to 12 game period. The fact that it could end up putting you down a level, not because you are not well run, not because you have poor recruitment, but because you are only allowed so many players (salary cap) and players are out injured, seems ridiculous.'"
mmmm, see what I mean now, at the start of each season every team is only certain of their first five home fixtures, after that they could in theory indicate which weekend they'll be at home but even that won't be certain when you have clubs who share grounds etc as you won't know when you're going to play them or even if you're going to play them, only that you might if you do well and they do well - will we play Hull in the second half of the season, will their ground be available on the allocated weekend when they can't book it until April or May, etc etc.
So you sell a season ticket for five home games in November/December and then everyone waits to see what transpires before they consider the second tranche of fixtures and whether it'll be worth it for the rest of the season during which time the club has lost, what, 60% of its pre-christmas income ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I cant see the reason why we would choose this system, nor can I see the reasoning of those who want change for changes sake, or just because we ‘have to do something’. I really cannot see the reasoning for trying something we have already tried that didn’t work.'"
It's not a change for changes sake the bottom 3 teams in SL aren't that good and P+R may give them the boot to sort their sh## out.
Franchising has failed and it's clear most players want less fixtures and a more comepetitive league so IMO a 12 team SL and a return to a top 6 play off series and p+r will make it more competitive plus give more gaps in the fixture list for international games/rest.
The CC reverting back to May gives it more prestige and breaks up the regular season nicely rather than shoe horned into August just before we hit the play off series.
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| Quote Lawrie L="Lawrie L"Who are InSports?'"
Bein Sport is the French subscription sports channel, owned by Al Jazeera. They cover every home Catalans match live and show the SL matches covered by Sky too and plenty of NRL games as well. And they have commentators who put Eddie and Stevo to shame with their appreciation of the game. They loved the Watkins try last night: "Fantastique! FANTASTIQUE!!" |
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seems very very similar to what the powers that be tried to do with Scottish football..... a lot of teams and fans were all for it
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I love the idea and actually broke the news here a week ago:
forums.leagueunlimited.com/showt ... p?t=419502
This was my original post,
"So, hypothetically, what would be your views on a totally new league concept.
Lets hypothetically start with say, 2 leagues of 12. Lets be generic and call it SL1 and SL2. You play everyone in your league once. After the 11 games, you split the 2 leagues into 3 and play every one in your 8 twice. So the top 8 in SL1 would play each other, the bottom 4 from SL1 and the top 4 from SL2 would make up the next 8 and play each other and then the bottom 8 from SL 2 would make the final league.
Now, hypothetically, what this does is creates something to play for in every match. The 1st 11 games qualify you for the best standard. Those who miss out then play against the best 4 teams in SL2, then below the top 4 in SL2 they will be playing to reach that standard.
It also makes the intensity better throughout, as after the 1st 11 games you play teams at or similar to yourself every week. This in turn gives your players a taste of a higher standard of competition every week. If that's hard for you to get your head round, ill do a current example.
SL1 after 11 games:
Wigan
Hudds
Warrington
Leeds
Catalan
Bradford
St Helens
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield
Widnes
London
SL2
Salford
Castleford
Halifax
Featherstone
Sheffield
Batley
Leigh
Whitehaven
Hunslet
York
Dewsbury
Workington
Your first divisions would then be:
Wigan
Hudds
Warrington
Leeds
Catalan
Bradford
St Helens
Hull
Next would be:
Hull KR
Wakefiekd
Widnes
Salford
London
Castleford
Halifax
Featherstone
And the bottom would be:
Sheffield
Batley
Leigh
Whitehaven
Hunslet
York
Dewsbury
Workington
I'm assuming there would be a 4 team playoff for the champions.
The top 4 of the mid division would start in SL1 the season after.
So, what's people's thoughts if something like this happened? Personally, I like it. It adds competition across the board and gives everyone something to play for at some point of the season. It also means that for the majority of the season, you will be in an intense competition playing teams at your level.
Maybe even make the top team in the 3rd league of 10, below SL1 and 2, able to get promoted. This meaning all teams in the bottom division of the 3 have something to play for.
Just a thought..." |
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I love the idea and actually broke the news here a week ago:
forums.leagueunlimited.com/showt ... p?t=419502
This was my original post,
"So, hypothetically, what would be your views on a totally new league concept.
Lets hypothetically start with say, 2 leagues of 12. Lets be generic and call it SL1 and SL2. You play everyone in your league once. After the 11 games, you split the 2 leagues into 3 and play every one in your 8 twice. So the top 8 in SL1 would play each other, the bottom 4 from SL1 and the top 4 from SL2 would make up the next 8 and play each other and then the bottom 8 from SL 2 would make the final league.
Now, hypothetically, what this does is creates something to play for in every match. The 1st 11 games qualify you for the best standard. Those who miss out then play against the best 4 teams in SL2, then below the top 4 in SL2 they will be playing to reach that standard.
It also makes the intensity better throughout, as after the 1st 11 games you play teams at or similar to yourself every week. This in turn gives your players a taste of a higher standard of competition every week. If that's hard for you to get your head round, ill do a current example.
SL1 after 11 games:
Wigan
Hudds
Warrington
Leeds
Catalan
Bradford
St Helens
Hull FC
Hull KR
Wakefield
Widnes
London
SL2
Salford
Castleford
Halifax
Featherstone
Sheffield
Batley
Leigh
Whitehaven
Hunslet
York
Dewsbury
Workington
Your first divisions would then be:
Wigan
Hudds
Warrington
Leeds
Catalan
Bradford
St Helens
Hull
Next would be:
Hull KR
Wakefiekd
Widnes
Salford
London
Castleford
Halifax
Featherstone
And the bottom would be:
Sheffield
Batley
Leigh
Whitehaven
Hunslet
York
Dewsbury
Workington
I'm assuming there would be a 4 team playoff for the champions.
The top 4 of the mid division would start in SL1 the season after.
So, what's people's thoughts if something like this happened? Personally, I like it. It adds competition across the board and gives everyone something to play for at some point of the season. It also means that for the majority of the season, you will be in an intense competition playing teams at your level.
Maybe even make the top team in the 3rd league of 10, below SL1 and 2, able to get promoted. This meaning all teams in the bottom division of the 3 have something to play for.
Just a thought..." | |
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Quote rhinomsFranchising has failed and it's clear most players want less fixtures and a more comepetitive league so IMO a 12 team SL and a return to a top 6 play off series and p+r will make it more competitive plus give more gaps in the fixture list for international games/rest.'" we had a 12 team league, with a top 6 play-off and P+R only a few years ago. The complaints people had was that it wasnt competitive enough. |
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