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Quote: Andy R "Just in case you hadn't noticed - he doesn't do too much differently whichever position he plays.

I'd say a 2 Grand Final winning, international stand off is more than adequate. At the very least I'd take him over Smith and Hardaker there!'"


Of course...but that equates to a better LF than SO. Taking him over Smith aint saying much really I'm afraid to say....and of course Hardaker isn't ready [ijust[/i yet.

Would you take Sinfield at SO over any other SO in SL ?? (Ignoring his role as the inspirational captain that of course nobody can contest)

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "Resting him for mere "normal league games" was undoubtedly a contributory reason for the final league positioning. Are you really suggesting McDermott planned that ? It was a tactical decison to reach the GF and win by finishing in such a lowly position ??
No, I think he's suggesting that Bedsy is no longer up to playing 80 minutes week in, week out. Something he could no longer do before he joined us and wasn't likely to be able to do 3 years and a serious injury later. Had he done that his 2 world class performances in two of our biggest games of the season might have been less impressive

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "Of course...but that equates to a better LF than SO. Taking him over Smith aint saying much really I'm afraid to say....and of course Hardaker isn't ready [ijust[/i yet.

Would you take Sinfield at SO over any other SO in SL ?? (Ignoring his role as the inspirational captain that of course nobody can contest)'"


Smith was tongue in cheek as last year you suggested he might be the answer there.

I'd suggest he'd have got into the following sides at Stand Off this year:

Wigan (with Finch at 7)
Saints (alongside one of the 2 youngsters)
Hull
Hull KR
Cas (with Chase at 7)
Bradford
Salford
Wakefield
Quins
Crusaders

The fact he would struggle to replace Briers/Myler, Brown/Brough is largely down to the fact that they need the quicker half to play alongside the organiser.

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Quote: Andy R "No, I think he's suggesting that Bedsy is no longer up to playing 80 minutes week in, week out. Something he could no longer do before he joined us and wasn't likely to be able to do 3 years and a serious injury later. Had he done that his 2 world class performances in two of our biggest games of the season might have been less impressive'"



Perhaps we should take such a cautious position with all our recognised game winners and have all of Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield, Hall etc sat on the bench to prolong their careers at the club icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Andy R "Smith was tongue in cheek as last year you suggested he might be the answer there.

I'd suggest he'd have got into the following sides at Stand Off this year

Never stated he would be the "answer" there, merely he might be worth a try (when he seemed sharper and fitter) in the role.

As for the clubs you suggest Sinfield would command the SO position.....doesn't say much for the standards in the SL does it ?

Let me make this clear....I LIKE THE GUY. He needs to be included in the team. He is a BRILLIANT captain...at SO he fulfills the need adequately. At LF he fulfills the need better.

I believe Ablett would go better there...but Sinfield MUST be included and LF is his position IMO.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "Perhaps we should take such a cautious position with all our recognised game winners and have all of Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield, Hall etc sat on the bench to prolong their careers at the club
Perhaps, hooker is a position in the modern game where very few players play 80 minutes, let alone 32/3? year olds whose bodies have played at the top level for their entire careers.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "Never stated he would be the "answer" there, merely he might be worth a try (when he seemed sharper and fitter) in the role.

As for the clubs you suggest Sinfield would command the SO position.....doesn't say much for the standards in the SL does it ?

Let me make this clear....I LIKE THE GUY. He needs to be included in the team. He is a BRILLIANT captain...at SO he fulfills the need adequately. At LF he fulfills the need better.

I believe Ablett would go better there...but Sinfield MUST be included and LF is his position IMO.'"


I love the fact you have added command to the highlighted sentence.

Brilliant come back by the way.

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I can see you've thought this through well.

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Quote: Andy R "Perhaps, hooker is a position in the modern game where very few players play 80 minutes, let alone 32/3? year olds whose bodies have played at the top level for their entire careers.'"


I don't mean literally for the full 80 mins in the frontline role....of course he should have been 'spelled' for short periods.

I am referring more to the political "necessity" of giving first Diskin equal status and share of games from the bench....then the need to include Burrow similarly.

Belatedly McDermott realised Burrow as impact sub was indeed erdudite, but not at the expense of removing Buderus from the field.

For that I am grateful icon_biggrin.gif ....what a victory. Let's not argue anymore. We should continue to revel in it....and I do. icon_smile.gif

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "I don't mean literally for the full 80 mins in the frontline role....of course he should have been 'spelled' for short periods.

I am referring more to the political "necessity" of giving first Diskin equal status and share of games from the bench....then the need to include Burrow similarly.

Belatedly McDermott realised Burrow as impact sub was indeed erdudite, but not at the expense of removing Buderus from the field.

For that I am grateful
The Diskin point is old news. Most people could see the 2 of them would never work.

For me Burrow off the bench to spell him with Buderus returning after 20-25 mins worked fine. He was one of the most important players who we really needed to keep fresh throughout the year.

Oh, I'm revelling, don't worry!

I still find the time to challenge your incorrect views though icon_wink.gif

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I fail to see on what basis Nantwich see Zac as a Stand Off?

He never played SO in his junior days at Fev Lions - why does he think he can suddenly make the leap to elite level?

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Buderus 46 tackles 0 misses according to league express.

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I watched the game back a couple of times and Buderus's defensive lead was fantastic.

Whenever Graham took the ball in Buderus was straight there to cut him down. Whether it was tactics or Buderus took it upon himself he certainly was instrumental in taking out Saints major go-forward threat.

A great end to his Leeds career and pleased to see him cut out the silly errors.

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Quote: G1 "I watched the game back a couple of times and Buderus's defensive lead was fantastic.

Whenever Graham took the ball in Buderus was straight there to cut him down. Whether it was tactics or Buderus took it upon himself he certainly was instrumental in taking out Saints major go-forward threat.

A great end to his Leeds career and pleased to see him cut out the silly errors.'"


Well done for this post albeit with the customary final barb!

As I have previously said his contribution in defending the ruck area (with help from JJB & JP) prevented Saints from making progress in the area that was most crucial to them if they were to win.

In my book Buderus was a close 2nd to the outstanding Burrow for MOM. He also directed our attack well and was involved in the build up to the tries from Webb and Ablett. Yet some pundits didn't rate his performance worthy of the top 5......!

It is good that you have seen that "Buderus's defensive lead was fantastic" even though you needed to "watch the game back a couple of times" to appreciate this. Many of us were aware of this at the first time of watching!

I believe that if you were to watch back some of our other previous matches this year you will see Buderus putting in similar performances. (even though not on the field for 80mins!) Had others (JJB apart) matched his efforts we would have won more games. He will take some replacing.

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Outstanding defensive efforts, as you'd expect from a player's final appearance for a club. Really tore into Saints, and his technique is second to none. His defensive work rate will be missed next season, as I think that McShane has not excelled in this area so far.

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