The concept is generally a crock. Its been used as an apologia for average Aussies (and sometimes average older English players) as well as 'geniuses' like Buderus. Its not just ability but also style of play. What could Greg Inglis teach Lee Smith about playing centre? Nothing useful I suspect, and not due to Smith's ability - he simply cannot play the way Inglis does at 18 stone and much faster.

I disagree - there is no substitute for experience - anyone in the Leeds side cannot have failed to benefit from playing with David Furner, especially in a game-time situation. His ability to read a game pass on that defence expertise will not have been lost on those who played alongside him. Any centre who spent any time with Brad Godden will not have come away knowing less about centre play - whether they can put it into practice is another matter?

So basically you are in agreement with Brisbane that it all depends on the recipients own ability?

I've been watching Buderus play for almost two years now and my game has gone to s[ihi[/it.

What do you say about that then?

You can't polish a turd.

Bit harsh on Buderus.

It HAS improved then

at the idea that McShane just watches Buderus from a distance

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I'm pretty sure they talk to each other

Buderus' game has been built around the fact he's a little guy with a bit of speed off the mark, as befits an ex-halfback. What could he teach Diskin - a bigger, slower player altogether - about that? Or the nuggety McShane? He could give them a few tips about passing, timing of runs etc but I suspect not a huge amount else that they could use as they simply cannot do some of the things he does (and vice versa).

The point about the likes of Godden and Furner is the same. They couldn't teach kids with completely dissimilar physical attributes (and much less natrual ability) how to play like them. I bet the players who learned most from either of those two would also have been the ones that got to play alongside them.

Otherwise to teach a kid all you'd need is a video of great players in each position. 'Here lads, this is a video of great Aussie fullbacks. Watch it and come back in on Monday ready to run in 100m tries for fun against the tightest defences. That includes you Wellens.'

I love to have him back at Hull, looked very good in the few games he played.

Strong defender and was impressed by his quick passing from dummy half.

Hopefully Kath will do buisness with Gary.

Personally I think that view is not correct and far too simplistic.

Any player who can not learn from better players, will not make it in the game. What ever position you are you will always listen and learn from better players. How do you think Sinfield became what he has?

Only last Friday night in an interview after the England football game, the goalie Joe Hart when put to him that some of his saves were very Peter Smeichal (spelling) like, he responded yes but not Peter, but Kasper, he had copied a few of his tricks.