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| So how do I find out what charge Grade 'C' will generate, which is what Ablett's been charged with
Bailey - No charge according to RFL site
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| rlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id
2-3 matches
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| 2-3 games??? Is that all?? For fecks sake, that aint gunna be enough to satisfy the baying Weeeeegan mob.
There'll be riots down at Wigan Pier tonight. Pies will be thrown to the ground in disgust.
...and Ablett'll be back for the play offs, first game probably against Weeegan, so they've time to practice their "Booooooooooooooooo" noises
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| 2-3 matches seems about right for me!! Oh and the Booooo noises are more commonly found at GPW Recruitment Stadium?
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982.jpg [quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "G1 - What is also interesting is all the keyboard warriors who think they know the laws and the various guidelines but have never taken the time to read them and just assume that they know them, or there opinion should be the law and can't understand why it isn't!
The review panel will currently be sitting looking at the videos from the weekend. The first thing is that they will watch the Ablett incident at full speed from as many angles as available, over and over again if required, and rarely look at contact with the head cases in slow-mo unless they think there is good reason to. Why? Because slow-mo distorts the viewers perception of time, as we live our life in real time and not slow-mo, they need to consider split second actions of players and what impact that had on the intent and outcome.
They have to decide if the tackle or intended tackle was either Careless, Reckless or Intentional or none of them. If they decide it was not any, they can still issue warning and letters which will be placed on a players record.
So, was Ablett Careless, Reckless or Intentional in his tackle on Tomkins? I think he was possibly Careless and maybe at a push Reckless but I do not think it was Intentional AND you have to look at the specific definitions of these terms in the guidelines. This means the 'guide' on suspension is 0 to 3 games!
Now, lets look at aggravating factors
Previous Record
Violence
Retaliation
Injury caused
Incident not part of play
Other aggravating factors
and mitigating factors
Previous Good Record
Provocation
Technique or Fitness in some cases
Genuine Remorse
Other Mitigating Factors
So, when you look at the aggravating factors for Ablett there isn't any, he does not have a previous record to speak of and did not cause injury (luckily).
When you look at mitigating factors he has a previous good (well excellent) record and suspect that he did apologise to Tomkins after the game and will tell the disciplinary panel (if he gets there) that he was remorseful. Not injuring a player is not a mitigating factor BTW, for obvious reasons.
So, is Ablett going get to get a ban? Well if he does 1 and possibly 2 matches would seem to me to be the maximum, IMO, he is looking at. I also think that, given his excellent record, that not getting one at all but being fined £300 quid along with a warning is a likely outcome.
Predictions - Ok, when the review panel publish their findings this afternoon if Ablett is charged with being Careless I think it will be a fine and warning, if he gets charged with being Reckless he will get a one match ban. If he gets charged with being intentional, well I will be very surprised!
So, if my predictions come true, before the keyboard warriors start spouting the usual rubbish, read the guidelines and the reports and then tell us why they were wrong... bet you they don't though!'"
As Gotcha has said, excellent summary. He's been charged with reckless.
I wonder if any Wigan fans want to retract any of the bile they have posted? I won't be holding my breath.
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
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[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: G1 "As Gotcha has said, excellent summary. He's been charged with reckless.
I wonder if any Wigan fans want to retract any of the bile they have posted? I won't be holding my breath.'"
Thanks both of you, we aim to please and all that!
Reckless Grade C is slightly higher than I anticipated, I was expecting Careless or Reckless Grade B.
I think he is going to cop a suspension more than likely now then. He will not get 3 because of his previous excellent record so bank on 1 for sure and possibly 2. I predict 1... which is s shame in some ways.
As you say, expect a flood of Wigan and other telling us that the review panel is clearly made up of misguided fools and it was clearly intentional and he clearly was aiming to break his jaw before he even left the changing room, never mind before he started the chase!
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| Tetchy Pie Eaters don't seem happy. Doubt it would take much trolling for the 'ban' button to be pressed over there.
Someone needs to explain the word 'reckless' to the Goon Muppets.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Thanks both of you, we aim to please and all that!
Reckless Grade C is slightly higher than I anticipated, I was expecting Careless or Reckless Grade B.
I think he is going to cop a suspension more than likely now then. He will not get 3 because of his previous excellent record so bank on 1 for sure and possibly 2. I predict 1... which is s shame in some ways.
As you say, expect a flood of Wigan and other telling us that the review panel is clearly made up of misguided fools and it was clearly intentional and he clearly was aiming to break his jaw before he even left the changing room, never mind before he started the chase!'"
I think you are pretty much spot on with what you are predicting. We have to remember that this is only the review panels findings at the moment, and at this stage no other circumstances have been taken into account, other than viewing the tape.
Now the disciplinary panel need to sit down and watch it properly, and they will take into account Abletts version of events, and also his record, and the other usual things. They may actually change the grading whilst still finding guilty, or they may even not agree with the first findings.
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982.jpg [quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Thanks both of you, we aim to please and all that!
Reckless Grade C is slightly higher than I anticipated, I was expecting Careless or Reckless Grade B.
I think he is going to cop a suspension more than likely now then. He will not get 3 because of his previous excellent record so bank on 1 for sure and possibly 2. I predict 1... which is s shame in some ways.
'" You're assuming he'll be found guilty of the charge. I, personally am hoping he beats the rap. This place will be a scream
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
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[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: G1 "You're assuming he'll be found guilty of the charge. I, personally am hoping he beats the rap. This place will be a scream
True, If I was the part of the team at Leeds I would be going into to the RFL tomorrow and pleading not guilty to Reckless but inferring that for Careless Grade A/B with a fine and no suspension they would plead guilty. If they give him any sort of suspension I would expect they will be back on Wednesday to appeal!
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| Watched it last night.
Reckless is probably the right word, fook knows what he thought he was doing.
2-3 matches would be right for me.
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| If he'd have got sent off i think they would have given him a 1 game ban or even sending off sufficient, but im thinking he will get a 2 game ban.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Thanks both of you, we aim to please and all that!
Reckless Grade C is slightly higher than I anticipated, I was expecting Careless or Reckless Grade B.
I think he is going to cop a suspension more than likely now then. He will not get 3 because of his previous excellent record so bank on 1 for sure and possibly 2. I predict 1... which is s shame in some ways.
As you say, expect a flood of Wigan and other telling us that the review panel is clearly made up of misguided fools and it was clearly intentional and he clearly was aiming to break his jaw before he even left the changing room, never mind before he started the chase!'"
I didnt think he could get 1 as its a 2-3 game offence! I think he will get a 2 as he was reckless, just a shame that Stains will benefit!!
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| Ah fookwits.com
A, Look at the frame by frame slow mo
B, Mute Stevo.
Paused at the moment of impact Abletts arm is is tucked firmly into his chest.
Tomkins body is very low down after a good technique at defusing the bomb.
If Ablett is stood tall, arms tucked into his chest, not jumping into the tackle, not raising the forearm is there anything wrong with it? Ablett should have been more aware of the danger he did cause. He should have considered the body position that Tomkins will get himself into. But there was 0% malice what so ever. Clumbsy is absolutely spot on by Shaun Wane.
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Quote: Ian Roberts Closet "I didnt think he could get 1 as its a 2-3 game offence! I think he will get a 2 as he was reckless, just a shame that Stains will benefit!!'"
Cop a load of this fine example of 'RFL justice' in action.
www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=296
Grade D: 2 to 5
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Quote: Ian Roberts Closet "I didnt think he could get 1 as its a 2-3 game offence! I think he will get a 2 as he was reckless, just a shame that Stains will benefit!!'"
Cop a load of this fine example of 'RFL justice' in action.
www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=296
Grade D: 2 to 5
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