After having to suffer him as head coach at Hull and seeing the same traits in Leeds as we did at here at Hull I think its a fair question to ask if the big problem is Agar. As GrahamBray has mentioned we had some great players at Hull during Agars tenure but we were totally devoid of any creativity or real desire and achieved nothing under him infact we steadily went backwards.

I feel for you (not too much of course

) as we've been there with Agar ourselves.

We have all worked for poor managers in our normal working life and we all know the impact a good manager can have on the people they manage - RL is no different. A poor manager will only ever get the minimum out of their team and that is where Leeds are at the moment. A change of coach would be a great if you get the right coach Watson has shown himself to be a good coach now he has removed the players that didn't by into his ideas/culture e.g. Sezer/McIntosh etc.

Poor managers make poor decisions that are obvious to their team and the underminds their position. Stevie Wonder can see Briscoe and Sutcliffe should never be anywhere near the centre position in a top side but he keeps picking them. Dwyer kills all structured play - in part his presence makes Sezer/Austin look worse than they are. Looked a lot better with Johnson on the field - Dwyer knew that hence his not wanting to leave the field despite his cut.

The bench last night would have embarrassed Wakefield such was the poor quality of its content - surely we have better youngsters than the likes of Thompson and Mellor. What has Broadbent done to not get picked?

Oldeski always seems to get a free pass on here - he offers no go forward and Hull just ran past or through him last night. All this he is playing on one legs crap!! I can accept his mind is elsewhere - if that is the case he should not be playing.

That's not fair. We had 'the drop off' and give it to Willie Manu, both tactics served him well at Hull

With all due respect that’s nonesense. Look at his stats, he’s 3rd on the tackle count list in SL for starters and his metres stats aren’t bad either

Oledski is far from being the issue here

Says it all.

That`s what I said.
Gale was/is a good player but Agar didn`t like him.
Maybe Agar and Long possibly want their halves to play their way which is surprising if Longs involved as he was a much better half back than what we currently have/had recently.

Gale played 22 games for us in 2 years, through injury, suspension and throwing his toys out of the pram that's not good enough really. He's not had a great start in that respect at Hull either.

I got told Agar dislikes Gale because of his herpes, I think that’s what he said.

Agar's time at Hull was awful. Our win record against the big clubs was Saints won 2/8, Wigan won 1/7, Warrington won 1/7, Leeds won 0/10.

We never won a play off game and in his three full seasons 2009-2011 we never beat a SL club in the Challenge Cup.

Similar to Jack Walker missing so many but he`s still here.
Maybe Gale threw his toys out because Agar was telling him how a half back should play?

Very good