You two need one of those monitors with the pens that draw little electronic circles on the screen. Paul Cullen would be able to explain it all for you..

Nothing more to add really. We've both stated our views and been civil about it.

Except perhaps to remember that back on page 10 earlier today where you saiddefensive awareness and coping with the physical nature. That will come by playing in the 1st team.'"

ok, so if that try was watkins fault fair enough. He's cost us a try. But we are a good enough team to absorb some of these lapses. If they become regular then we would need to re-assess the situation.

Personally I feel that Watkins will have learnt more from Sundays match than he would have done in the senior acadamy.

Don't you dare make any concessions.

I've taken up DHM's suggesting and the telestrator and magic pen is on its' way from Isleworth.

Forget Cullen, I can talk boaloox with the best of them. I'll be hosting a live video link from the All You Can Eat Chinese Buffet at 12.30 tomorrow.

Tune in.

Was he available?

I think this will take longer than poeple are really expecting it too too be honest.

Not making concessions, but more like lets just say that it was a mistake from watkins. Doesn't bother me. Over the course of the year I feel he will bring more influence to games at the right end. Like TVOC said, a GB international centre of ours made many defensive mistakes in his last few years at us. Lets not jump on the back of a youngster learning his way.

Making concessions isn't in our tool kits. *See mine and G1's constant friendly niggle over Lee Smith for further evidence. We can't both be right but we'll have a good try to bluster that we are.

Re : Watkins. As I've said before I don't have a problem with a 17 year old doing his level best in the 1st team. He has real potential. My problem is with the off season recruiting by Leeds that failed to solve a glaring problem at right centre.

All we have are stop gaps in Ablett (never a centre) Smith (untried and should be at full back or wing first) Watkins (too much to expect a 17 year old to perform week in week out at the required level even accepting the regular defensive mis-reads) and Gibson (had some potential but really is neither big enough or fast enough to command the spot.)

If Leeds have cap space (apparently so even if Eastwood were to belatedly arrive) and money in the bank then IMO they should use some of it sooner rather than later. Don't worry about contracts, players still change clubs when contracted, just ask Warrington, St Helens and Martin Gleeson.

Teams don't get any credit for finishing a gallant second while tying one hand behind their backs. Leeds have already failed to defend one trophy successfully and I don't want to see this season turn in to another 2005.

You can stop panicking TVOC.

By all accounts he's 18 today.

You don't really think that was a consideration at the time now do you?


I like your holistic approach to the game and it's one I generally share but I'd still like to see Leeds use all the resources at their disposal to stuff the rest of the competition where the sun don't shine.

Not winning the Championship for 32 years prior to 2004, enduring Wigan winning everything for years and the rise of the Bulls has probably got to me. 1.6259765625:5