This is a complete knee jerk,

Handley has improved since the Agar days, finishes better and good in yardage.

Oledski isn’t hitting the heights of last season, smith wasn’t good last night but he’s often too tackler and has had a lot of good games this season, he was terrible last season under Agar, especially his discipline.

O’Connor has improved loads, not great last night.

Holdroyd Walters and Gannon have improved loads

Given the pack are at full strength and still not able to get over a very weakened St's pack I'd suggest that is a problem.

We are a deeply flawed team led by a deeply flawed coach. Potentially a great player in the making is moving to one of our main rivals. Some of our so called main strike players are aging. Unless things change dramatically we will be in the same position next season. Perhaps we should play for a false dawn trophy with Hull.

How can you say Gannon has improved loads - when did he last play? I mentioned both Holdroyd and Walters - one of which is leaving.

We must agree to differ on O'Connor I think he has reached his level - perhaps why Leeds are being linked with Levi.

Smith might be a tackling machine but that is only half the game the other half he consistently stifles the moves because he is too slow mentally to spot the opportunities

He needs to be protected given his personal life!!

Another thing I think we need to sort out is our ruck discipline. When we are slowed down our players are responding by trying to milk penalties. This gives you a penalty maybe one in ten times - but it guarantees a slower PTB the other nine.

The amount of times we’re goofing the ball around the field side to side with the receiving player standing still.. we are too static and fail to get momentum established.

I think the packs main issue is consistency, they’ve shown they can get on top of the best packs in the league, they just don’t show it enough, which is concerning

The problem with the slow ruck is we don't have the skill set to regularly break teams down when the ruck isn't completely broken down. Perhaps if we had this would not be the problem it is.

Gannon has improved loads tho, back end of last year and glimpses when he’s played this year, wasn’t he in the England squad even tho he was injured?

Smith quite often he is good in attack tho. He’s been given loads of praise this year, team of the weeks, people saying he should be in the England squad etc, he wasn’t good last night but there’s a decent player there

Good to see the return of all the posters that went missing after the Wire and Hudds wins

yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the death of graham Murray.
he would have won the league with this set of players

Smith is a very strong defender and that is where he gets the praise - he stifles a lot of the attack as he did last night - that is not rare.

Gannon you cannot say he has improved - he simply hasn't played for months. He may well be a better player but there is not tangible evidence to judge him.

What is happening with the likes of Sinfield and Simpson - does the coach not trust them - it is not as if he team is winning each week.

Is lasts night game the only game to judge them on, what about the previous two games against saints?

And anyway my point is about the squad longer term, The pack is not our issue in that regard.

I wouldn’t trust Simpson either seeing as he’s recovering from a season long ACL injury.

Sinfield is 18 he’ll get his chance hence him signing a long term deal.