when considering past players who MAY haver been considered great they often had a touch of arrogance/swagger about them , Hanley, schofield, gregory, offiah , menninga, kenny , lewis, robinson for example.

Sinfield carries himself more in the manner of the late great john holmes.

Regardless of the personal awards he appears to have priority for team & club b4 self but is often the difference between winning & losing.

Mike brearley was regarded as a guru of test captaincy for the 81 ashes & his time @ middlesex but you certainly wouldn't have asked him to bat for your life.

Sinfield has never been the biggest, fastest, most skilful but as a leader & organiser of winning sides he has been peerless while carrying himself with humility & professionalism.

With this years win he dedicated it to john holmes & later spoke of memories to cherish ahead of short term financial gain & appears to treat the twin imposters equally.

and that could cause you big problems next season mate. the organiser.long was outstanding at it, eastmond is more of a individual while pryce isn't capable either

True, but people forget that Long grew into that role from his beginnings as a rapid broken field runner a la Eastmond.

I don't want to run Sinfield down here, as I think he is a great club man and has finally started to show his club form on the International stage, but seriously? Great of the game? For a player that's only managed to represent his country 17 times in a 12 year career? And only shown any form in the last game and a half? I think the likes of Wally Lewis, Billy Boston, Darren Lockyer etc. might disagree regarding your definition of 'great of the game'.

Second highest ever points scorer for his club, of course he's a great - at least in terms of Leeds.
FACT based on statistics NOT personal opinion.

Noone ever took you seriously. Then you posted this.



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So how many is it? I presume it's 20 or so after this series, and still only made an impact in a game and a half? Surely you understand the point I'm making anyway. His International career surely precludes him from being a 'great of the game'. Leeds great, definitely but, even as a Leeds fan you wouldn't put him in the same bracket as the true greats of the game such as Wally Lewis etc. would you?

I'm not doubting he's a Leeds great. Just as there are club greats at every club (Cunningham at Saints being a prime example) who wouldn't neccessarily qualify as 'greats of the game'.

I don't think it's a question of 'could' - more a definite 'will'! And with Pryce as SO it's even more of an issue. When he decides to play, Pryce is very similar in style to Eastmond (and Eastmond has acknowledged this publically, hoping it would not spoil his chances). To have two Pryces, even when one does actually turn up at each match (as Eastmond does), could be a bit of a 'mare really. But as has already been said, Longy was a broken field runner type player when he first came to us so hopefully inside Eastmond there is also an organiser. If not, he may have to swap roles or we may have to look to someone else to take on the organising role (which we will have to in the interim anyway). Scrum halves don't automatically have to be the organisers but obviously it would be easier that way.

What with Potter's apparent ability to stifle our attack, next season could turn out to be quite an interesting one!

Eastmond is absolutely nothing like Pryce IMO.

He's a 7 who has shown a good passing and kicking game at academy level.

He said it, not me. I can see his point in that he is a runner not an organiser (as yet?). But I clearly remember the interview in the RL press when he self-identified as playing very like Pryce.


He was also a good centre in the Grand Final.

I deleted that post because 5 seconds after I wrote it I realised that engageing an idiot in conversation, no matter how obvious a total fekkwitt he is, does in some way give him credibility.

So I'm not talking to Phuzzy now (that would be like trying to communicate with an amoeba by banging two hamsters together), I'm merely explaining with a point of reference.

Sinfield voted best 13 in the world 2009! its humble pie time idiots!!

He's doing very well. Pleased to be eating my hat or whatever. It's much nicer to be proved wrong on the upside than the downside.

One thing I would say is that the halfbacks of Eastmond/Tomkins is probably the best combination to use alongside Sinfield as neither of them are going to be leading the side around as yet. If we had quality experienced halfbacks I doubt there would be the same role available - in fact there really shouldn't be. In that case I'd see Sinfield as potentially our best hooking option.

For Leeds it'll be interesting to see how things develop from here. If I were McGuire I'd be wanting - actually needing - to develop a more rounded stand-offs game that won't fold under pressure. Which in turn means taking more responsibility for the team as a whole.

tell me, what would he HAVE to do in your eyes to become a great of the game?