I totally agree that there’s still a lot the club gets right, which is probably why them getting some of the other stuff so wrong.

Let’s be honest thought if we had won 5 out of 5 I wouldn’t have started this thread, performance on the field is the most critical thing they need to get right.

I'll give you Johnstone but Holmes and King? Really?

Could these 2 things be linked? You can have a better pitch or you can use the pitch more but you can’t have both.

We have a long period without a home game from 20th May to 9th July. I believe the pitch is to be ripped out and redone over this time.

But why is our pitch so poor? Theres no RU anymore on it. Other teams juniors play at their home ground except the football ones.

Think damage was done to it few years ago and it’s never recovered.

King will be playing alongside Percival in the WC. Holmes is very underrated - it is more his attitude and desire to win.

You would rather Sutcliffe than King - really?

I agree with that and GH doesn't appear to be an individual lacking get up and go. Sometimes move faster than you can cope with and you need to accept that the time has come to change? Your skill set was appropriate but it no longer is and it needs fresh ideas albeit aligned with years of experience. Rob Oates is a really good man but he has been at Leeds for 30 years where does he get fresh ideas and new experiences. Like GH the progress of the club is limited to the ability of the current management team who have limited experience outside of Leeds.

Not what I said. But if the club announced they'd signed a top notch centre to replace sutty and then released the news it was Toby King...underwhelmed is probably the word. Holmes huffs and puffs, granted. We've got similar of our own.

And if we paid what Warrington had reportedly paid to keep King thered be a load of moaning on here.

Holmes V Martin? Id prefer Martin his goal kicking is a massive plus too, the only thing holmes would be an upgrade on is our quota places

Think Holmes' workrate would far outweigh Rhyse's to be fair.

King is massively overrated. The only King I’d want is called Vuniyawawa!

We’ve got enough workman like ‘middles’ Martin offers a bit more than that IMO

Holmes isnt a middle hes a 2nd rower and a pretty good one. Hes more consistent than Rhyse will ever be.

He is pretty good, I prefer Martin and what he brings.

The middles was tongue in cheek.

never mind the state of the club the state of the game is awful. saints and Catalan apart the rest are garbage. I cant be bothered watching anymore.
sadly the games dying because the standard is terrible