None of our newer players have improved under McDermott's coaching. Griffin is not as good as he was at Hudds, Moore and Hauraki as they were at Crusaders, Lunt's got progressively worse since joining us. Only Hardaker has kicked on, and even he was going backwards in the position he was being coached to play.

That suggests the coaching team is the bigger problem.

I think its both tbh some players are a just getting older and less effective especially when they are getting flogged with little or no rotation and others just aren't good enough for a top team hoping to compete year in year out for every trophy on offer.
I admire the way the Coach handled the Senior and Webb situations and backed the youngsters yet he talks a 35yr old prop OUT of retirement and continues to hammer JP for 60 minutes or so a game irrespective of importance or score.
I also don't see why when we are losing game after game or certain players are playing poor for weeks at a time that they can't be dropped.
It's clear the team can't/wont get his coaching ideas on structure both attacking and defensively or they just don't trust them.
I think this team/squad should be better competitively on a more consistent basis but it isn't happening and i HOPE GH sticks to bis threat of a over-haul but also hope he includes his Coaching staff when doing his review because lest face it they ALL rightly get the praise when we are doing well so the same should be applied when we are aren't playing well.
Whatever the outcome of our play-off campaign i think there are issues to be sorted squad and coaching wise and i hope GH maintains his great record of keeping us competeting at the top.

Hetherington said after the embarrassing home capitulation to Wigan that it's not a coaching issue.

In the same article he also posed the question as to whether this squad had run it's course but he was careful not to answer it himself at the time. Hasn't he since said only Webb would be leaving?

Some overhaul that was.

Leuluai, Hauraki, McShane and Moore out. Achurch, Lunt, Taylor and Walmlsley in. Griffin & Taylor starting props, JP off the bench after 15 minutes with Bailey. JJB, Delaney & Clarkson to start in SR, with Achurch coming off the bench. Walmlsey & Kirke to force the competition, Ablett to move into the centres permanently with Keinhorst forcing the competition. Chisholm to get a chance on the right wing ahead of the powderpuff BJB.

Rhinos 2013:

1. Hardaker
2. Jones-Bishop
3. Watkins
4. Ablett
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Taylor
9. Lunt
10. Peacock
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Achurch
13. Sinfield
14. Ward
15. Delaney
16. Bailey
17. Kirke
18. Clarkson
19. Walmsley
20. Griffin

That was the "official" line at the time yes mate but i'm hoping we have a more meaningfull backlash ala when Daryl Powell had his big clear-out of the past it and not good enough.

When did we sign Lunt ,Taylor and Walmsley Tykes/Rhinos no1?
FWIW i'd take Taylor and Walmsley but would pick Mcshane over Lunt every day of the week.

would that be the same chisholm who is now a leeds carnegie player?

According to the YEP it's only a loan deal though!

it's a dual reg is what I heard?

All strongly linked to us from what I've heard. Lunt's in depending on a final assessment of McShane's attitude & progression, we're leading the race to get Taylor in, and are still in contact with Walmlsey. ST & AW are, potentially, two of the best British forwards for the next decade. We should be going after them.

Will somebody please call an ambulance - urgent assistance required in Nantwich, Cheshire.

Saucer of milk for TVOC!!

That's pretty much my view too.
I think the players are under performing too often and I think it's at least partly due to the players thinking they can pull out a good performance when needed or pull back a game that's slipping away from them. At their peak they could but few are at their peak now. I still think the majority of the squad are good enough, just not quite as good as they used to be. Peacock being a good example. When hes on form he's still one of the best props in the league but the games and time within those games he is on form is dwindling.
I don't think the coaching team are as bad as some people make out but there have been some baffling decisions at times such as not rotating the pack during the season and some strange substitutions.
I also think we are sufferring slightly from a "not as good" academy pool a few years ago which has meant we've been unable to adequately plan the succession to the likes of Peacock, Leuluai, Sinfield etc hopefully that might be starting to rectify itself a little with the likes of Singleton, Ward, Keinhorst, Hood etc coming through. Plus I think a full season for the likes of Watkins, BJB and Hardaker will be great for their future development too.

The squad should have been improved when Leeds were at their best five years ago, instead players left and were not adequately replaced. As such Leeds were overtaken and now we need to improve to escape falling behind both further from those at the top and more teams in total. The attitude and structure have also fallen away. Both squad and coach are done on the cheap, no wonder crowds fall and when the players rarely turn up I make the same decision. Better coaching and a shake up in the players dept are required, but our usual policy is to wait til season end to assess the squad and (in)conveniently by then we often find the best business has been done.

Did you miss the end results of the seasons played since that point five years ago?