Fair play. I concede. I understand what you're saying, and understand why it was mis-read on both our parts.

To be honest, I just read your Buderus hatred and it clouds my judgement and I'm probably overlooking the facts slightly in an attempt to better defend who I think (and am allowed to think) is a great player and doing a great job for our club.

I do, genuinely, think that you're doing the same visa-versa though. I.e. overlooking just how good a job Buderus in an attempt to fuel the anti-Buderus posts. Each to their own though I guess. My opinion is if McShane is outshining Buderus slightly, it means he's been watching and learning from someone who, whether he's produced it on the field at Leeds or not, is one of the best hookers our game has ever seen.

Bidsy was unquestionably my mom. Played virtually all the game (at hooker, loose forward and stand off), copped a real shiner to the extent he was unable to see from that eye, produced an awesome try saving tackle then came up with the match winning try. Even the coach singled him out for deserved praise.

Still not enough for G1 though

McShane is undoubtedly the future but we'll miss Buderus if/when he goes - far more than we've missed Disko

Why do people keep going on about Diskin? we haven't missed Diskin at all and therfore he doesn't need mentioning when talking about Buderus. All this year has proved is how Diskin was holding back the obvious talents of McShane last year. We could have been further on now probably had we not done that.

I think that Buderus scored a great hookers try when McShane was unable to get to Dummy Half, something that Diskin was frequently accused of during his time at Leeds...

I miss Diskin.



remarkable, I don't hate Buderus at all. I like him, I think he's an excellent player.

My issue has always been that he has fallen way below expectations at Leeds, has never been the player he should have been, has received adulation from our fans not earned in the blue and amber (especially when someone did earn that adulation in the blue and amber and still does not receive it), and has overall been a disappointment given how he has failed to influence the side to an extent that a player with his reputation and experience should.

Not to mention that he was an unnecessary signing when the salary cap and quota space could easily have been used in positions of greater need. We were doing well with Diskin, we had McShane on the books (and Hood). He was a flashy headline grabbing signing (remember he was meant to be Ellis's replacement) that was not needed and hasn't borne fruit.

Of course, people interpret that as me "hating" Buderus. I can't be blamed for people's inability to comprehend.

Yes, i noticed that once i'd sent it!!! Cheers all the same

Gotcha: Don't think mentioning Disko's name once (well thats twice now) warrants 'going on' about him! Just trying to get an understanding of G1's disliking of Buderus. Usually G1 has logical and rational views on overseas players - he has correctly (so far) predicted that Hauraki & Cross would be a waste of salary cap - but I fail to see where he's coming from with Buderus, who in my opinion is the best all round 9 we've had in years

Over to G1.........

Ha ha, and there we have it......an answer before I'd even posted the question!

I thought it was pronounced 'Macca'

What none of us will ever know is how McShane would have developed (& Hood?) without Buderus' presence here, with only Diskin as their onfield & training ground mentor.
I have my views.

At least we'll be able to look back fondly at some of his great moments.

That'll be last year's cup semi final when he was almost man of the match then.

It's not as if we can look back on any great moments featuring Disko is it..............

And here we go again!

Don't worry, I'll never forget how Disko single handedly won us 4 grand finals (and there was me thinking it was a team game)

But since memories count for squat, i'm reasonably optimistic that Buderus greatest moments are yet to come - whilst our illustrious ex hooker contemplates life outside the playoffs