Maybe the rugby gods have punished them.

Wigan are very disciplined and have learnt to be patient and take their chances.

They do this extremely well. Other teams need to work in this in the off season. If they don't then they will only have themselves to blame if Wigan do it even better next season.

Hopefully Leeds will get some of this with the changes in coaching staff.

But it get's said everytime a team wins a title who hasn't won one in a while. Gnerally when teams win titles, they have their sh*t together, they have good young players coming through a great coach and good overseas players and older heads.


So it's always easy to look at them and say that they'll dominate. But in the current climate it's very hard just to retain the title, let alone dominate.

But it won't be long before maguire get's a head coaches offer in the nrl, and then what about all their young players who will be able to command higher wages with the success and rep honours they will/are achieving and other clubs come in with better offers?

They could lose next years grand final, then maguire leaves to the nrl and 1 or 2 of their decent players get better offers elsewhere, throw in a poor overseas signing and suddenly they're 5th in the table with only a single grand final win in what was supposed to be a new super dynasty. See? I'm not suggesting that will happen, they'll probs be in the grand final mix for the next 3 or 4 years, but i'm just pointing out how things can change and evolve in sport and not always for the better, which is why it's short sighted to claim a team is about to dominate.

It doesn't matter how you win a grand final though.

But if you take last night, after the first 20 minutes, saints won the next 60 minutes 10-6!!

It's what wigan have done soo many times this season. Blitz teams in the first quarter, get a winning lead, then see the game out with defensive discipline (although many times teams have fought back).

Unfortunatly saints didn't have the firepower to do so without pryce and eastmond, but there were certainly chances and at 16-6 if saints could have scored it'd have been well on.

I think over the off season teams will try and find ways to counter wigans tactics and i think they'll find things tougher next season. With wigan not as dominant, and a hopefully fresher hungrier leeds team I wouldn't be at all suprised to see us de-throning them at old trafford.

'get near'?

If we'd had mcguire and peacock wiugan probably wouldn't have even been playing last night,

Agreed. I wasn't convinced by Leeds either circa 2007-2009 as Saints were their usual selves in those Grand Finals.

I doubt it. Given Wigan's forward domination last week McGuire wouldn't have made an ounce of difference, just like he didn't make an ounce of difference given Warrington's forward domination in the CC Final.

9 months is a longtime in super league at the start of last year most people were tipping leeds ,no one getting near etc.

Wigan are worthy champions this year.

They're fit and tenacious in defence. MaGuire is clearly a very good coach. They smother teams as they did to Saints and us last last week.

Then on the back of that they have that little sheeeyite Tomkins. I said early on he was a bit of a one trick pony but I was wrong. He's a very special talent. Very special indeed.

It's all about being there, Saints were good enough to get there, but not good enough to win it - we didn't let them play.



You must be joking, and who claimed we are world beaters, certainly not us, one step at a time picking you off as we go along, Leeds last week...Hammered! (but for a dodgy VR it would have been nilled too) Saints yesterday, Hammered!



I'm sorry I can only apologise for this, they really are shameful - comes from the stadium owner also owning a crappy pie firm - if it's any consolation most of us don't eat them either - wouldn't give 'em to my dog (if I had one)

....and where are BatesyLUFC (still laughing???) and Dave65 who hasn't been seen on our site since Donna showed him the way out

roll on 2011

Totally deserved win by Wigan. Best team by some distance this season.

As for Saints, very far removed from the 'undefeatable in a GF' team we were told about by fans of the entertainers in the run up to the 2007 final. They certainly are entertaining