Agar's masked slipped a bit during the press conference on the club site. Started off the usual guff but when a coach alludes to not flogging a dead horse its pretty clear he doesn't know what to do. Maybe he's different alone with the team but he just doesn't radiate anything when we lose - just a sort of world weariness.

Our squad is short in some key areas, but its a lot better than 2019 when Furner got sacked. We won't need Lui-style signings to turn things around for this season, but its looking very unlikely that things will really change with Agar as coach.

Yep as a long suffering Hull fan watching the game last night and seeing how Leeds looked completely rudderless was reminiscent of the days of games played under Agars tenure (of which we had many). Listening to him he still sounds like the same broken record and I'm amazed he still in the job at Leeds. I really had the game down as a hammering for us with so many out injured and players playing out of position then loosing another 3-4 during the game I was waiting for us to run out of gas and Leeds to come back but there was nothing and no leadership on the field from Leeds.
As for signing Sezer has he actually arrived?

And their lies the problem.
He`s done nothing at each club he`s managed and I would say probably made them worse.
He`s been lucky here as we have had injuries like last season so fans were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The season before that we were going through a transition again getting the benefit of the doubt.
This season on paper we have a top four squad but had a few suspensions/injuries pretty much like most teams so once again given some leeway it seems.
Somebody somewhere should smell the coffee and get rid.
The worry is there`s nobody that springs to mind least of all Long, JJB and Walker.

When does Gale arrive at Hull? Im sure he signed for you in the off season

Agar was the same at Hull, we had players that like Fizgibbon, O'Meley, Horne and some decent backs but we had no game plan, at all. When you see Agar, he doesn't give any emotion away, devoid of anger so it is hard to see how his half time talk would have been anything other than that, tepid, insipid and uninspiring. I tipped that squad for top 3, but I did say that may not happen with the current coach, which is proving the case. I honestly expected a mullering tonight, fatigued after a 4 day turnaround, we had no halves, our second row and LF missing, makeshift wingers and we never looked like losing. Don't get me wrong, I am happy - Leeds for the main part have been our bogey team in SL, so a win was brilliant, but we didn't have a lot to beat did we?

After having to suffer him as head coach at Hull and seeing the same traits in Leeds as we did at here at Hull I think its a fair question to ask if the big problem is Agar. As GrahamBray has mentioned we had some great players at Hull during Agars tenure but we were totally devoid of any creativity or real desire and achieved nothing under him infact we steadily went backwards.

I feel for you (not too much of course ) as we've been there with Agar ourselves.

We have all worked for poor managers in our normal working life and we all know the impact a good manager can have on the people they manage - RL is no different. A poor manager will only ever get the minimum out of their team and that is where Leeds are at the moment. A change of coach would be a great if you get the right coach Watson has shown himself to be a good coach now he has removed the players that didn't by into his ideas/culture e.g. Sezer/McIntosh etc.

Poor managers make poor decisions that are obvious to their team and the underminds their position. Stevie Wonder can see Briscoe and Sutcliffe should never be anywhere near the centre position in a top side but he keeps picking them. Dwyer kills all structured play - in part his presence makes Sezer/Austin look worse than they are. Looked a lot better with Johnson on the field - Dwyer knew that hence his not wanting to leave the field despite his cut.

The bench last night would have embarrassed Wakefield such was the poor quality of its content - surely we have better youngsters than the likes of Thompson and Mellor. What has Broadbent done to not get picked?

Oldeski always seems to get a free pass on here - he offers no go forward and Hull just ran past or through him last night. All this he is playing on one legs crap!! I can accept his mind is elsewhere - if that is the case he should not be playing.

With all due respect that’s nonesense. Look at his stats, he’s 3rd on the tackle count list in SL for starters and his metres stats aren’t bad either

Oledski is far from being the issue here

That`s what I said.
Gale was/is a good player but Agar didn`t like him.
Maybe Agar and Long possibly want their halves to play their way which is surprising if Longs involved as he was a much better half back than what we currently have/had recently.