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Quote: loiner81 "A very well thought out and considered response, well done. They didn't just have their worse Season in nearly 20yrs nor did i see Wane talking up the game & going out of his way to mark it down as a game that "set the tone". a050.gif c020.gif
As for comparing it's rellevant & easy to do when the excuses are flying around & some seem happy to accept the sh#* sarnie being fed.
Did Wigan have multiple injuries last year? =Yes
Were they at the very least competitive in most of their games?=Yes a046.gif

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: number 6 "No Houghton,Ellis,Taylor,manu,mini,Connor for fc today. Toronto look far too strong for the Championship 1 and could easily finish top 2 in the Championship'"


True and I did point out that it wasn't your strongest pack, but still an interesting score line regardless from Toronto's POV. Would be good to see them draw a SL in the Cup.

Quote: number 6 "2nd half fc played fringe squad players and a few U19s with 3 or 4 first choice players guiding them'"


See I find this worse than any comment McDermott made. Saints and Wigan did similar and I'd rather see a team picked and played for the match, not 1 half each. Saints for example had 12 subs, that's just taking the mick and they'd be better of just organising two separate games imo.

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Quote: ThePrinter "See I find this worse than any comment McDermott made. Saints and Wigan did similar and I'd rather see a team picked and played for the match, not 1 half each. Saints for example had 12 subs, that's just taking the mick and they'd be better of just organising two separate games imo.'"


Entirely at the coach's discretion, as indeed is attendance on the part of fans. I can see why a 40 min session for most of the first 17 would appeal at this stage of the campaign.

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What do folk expect from friendly, warm-up games except exactly that?
The opportunity to give all your fit players some time on the pitch.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "They didn't just have their worse Season in nearly 20yrs nor did i see Wane talking up the game

He did mentioned beforehand that the kids would play the 2nd half so fans did know beforehand......but considering it was Michael McIlorum's testimonial game i find it a bit poor that they wouldn't host a game and have their best team out to get as good an attendance as possible for the guy.

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Quote: ThePrinter "He did mentioned beforehand that the kids would play the 2nd half so fans did know beforehand......but considering it was Michael McIlorum's testimonial game i find it a bit poor that they wouldn't host a game and have their best team out to get as good an attendance as possible for the guy.'"

Never saw that so fair to point it out.
Totally agree re-2nd part of your point.

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Quote: ThePrinter "True and I did point out that it wasn't your strongest pack, but still an interesting score line regardless from Toronto's POV. Would be good to see them draw a SL in the Cup.

See I find this worse than any comment McDermott made. Saints and Wigan did similar and I'd rather see a team picked and played for the match, not 1 half each. Saints for example had 12 subs, that's just taking the mick and they'd be better of just organising two separate games imo.'"



why is it taking the mick? most fans knew before the game this would be the case! we played cas and kr with the majority of u19s/fringe squad players and radford picked the ones the he felt could cut it against the wolfpack!

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: RHINO-MARK "They didn't just have their worse Season in nearly 20yrs nor did i see Wane talking up the game & going out of his way to mark it down as a game that "set the tone".
So now you do care.

If last season was only about a few injuries you might have had have a point.
Also, you don't "set the tone" with a team missing 13 players.

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Quote: loiner81 "So now you do care.

If last season was only about a few injuries you might have had have a point.
Also, you don't "set the tone" with a team missing 13 players.'"

I care about what Leeds do the comparisons are rellevant wrt performances & the constant reminders about injuries & predominantly that was the consistent "excuse" once the season was well underway.
As for "setting the tone" that isn't selection based it's performance intent shape etc & i didn't use it the Coach did a050.gif

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: RHINO-MARK "I care about what Leeds do the comparisons are rellevant wrt performances & the constant reminders about injuries & predominantly that was the consistent "excuse" once the season was well underway.
As for "setting the tone" that isn't selection based it's performance intent shape etc & i didn't use it the Coach did
Coach talks up a pre-season friendly to help sell tickets... Shocker.

As for comparisons, if Leeds had lost 50-10 to Leigh then this forum would be in meltdown. Lead by the usual cheerleaders with you in full support.

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Quote: loiner81 "Coach talks up a pre-season friendly to help sell tickets... Shocker.

As for comparisons, if Leeds had lost 50-10 to Leigh then this forum would be in meltdown. Lead by the usual cheerleaders with you in full support.'"

1st & foremost performance is & always will be the most important factor for me the rest follows on.
Lets also get one thing clear don't drag me into yer petty name calling tit for tat "cheerleaders" etc 30+ page BS.
I have my own opinions & make them on what i see & hear from attending games.
If coulda woulda shoulda etc aren't rellevant the reaction was to a pathetic rudderless 80 minutes of RL after a p!$$ poor year & as for your sarcastic response it doesn't alter the fact he bigged up that game signalling an intent to his team making a point it backfired & he then backtracked those are facts.
We (imo) more than any team have the most improvement & ground to make up from last year so what Leigh/Wigan do in pre-season really isn't a comparison worth making.
What WE DO as a Club/Team is & always will be the most important in any debate comparisons can & will be made but are only really rellevant wrt injuries similar situations & the resulting performances simple as that or do you struggle with context?

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Ooh, another strawman construction duly knocked down.

Yay! icon_biggrin.gifANCE:

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: William Eve "Ooh, another strawman construction duly knocked down.

Yay!
Are you OK, do you need a tissue William?

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: RHINO-MARK "1st & foremost performance is & always will be the most important factor for me the rest follows on.
Lets also get one thing clear don't drag me into yer petty name calling tit for tat "cheerleaders" etc 30+ page BS.
I have my own opinions & make them on what i see & hear from attending games.
If coulda woulda shoulda etc aren't rellevant the reaction was to a pathetic rudderless 80 minutes of RL after a p!$$ poor year & as for your sarcastic response it doesn't alter the fact he bigged up that game signalling an intent to his team making a point it backfired & he then backtracked those are facts.
We (imo) more than any team have the most improvement & ground to make up from last year so what Leigh/Wigan do in pre-season really isn't a comparison worth making.
What WE DO as a Club/Team is & always will be the most important in any debate comparisons can & will be made but are only really rellevant wrt injuries similar situations & the resulting performances simple as that or do you struggle with context?'"


It was a meaningless pre-season friendly with 13 first team players missing. What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Who cares what the coach or the club said pre-game? They were trying to sell tickets.

McDermott's said we're going for all 3 trophies this year, will you be stamping your feet if we don't win them all?

I stand by everything I said re the 50-10 (did Wigan have 13 first team players out?) and the silence on that from some posters is deafening!
I've not looked but I doubt there'll be a 20+ page thread on the Wigan board about the defeat.... and rightly so.

As for the cheerleaders comment, I wasn't dragging you into anything.... You've always been and still remain one of the biggest whingers on this board.

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Quote: loiner81 "It was a meaningless pre-season friendly with 13 first team players missing. What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Who cares what the coach or the club said pre-game? They were trying to sell tickets.

McDermott's said we're going for all 3 trophies this year, will you be stamping your feet if we don't win them all?

I stand by everything I said re the 50-10 (did Wigan have 13 first team players out?) and the silence on that from some posters is deafening!
I've not looked but I doubt there'll be a 20+ page thread on the Wigan board about the defeat.... and rightly so.

As for the cheerleaders comment, I wasn't dragging you into anything.... You've always been and still remain one of the biggest whingers on this board.'"

Whingers? icon_lol.gif
Hmmm im pretty certain calling a turd a turd is far from whinging but then you reverting to pathetic name calling because it doesn't match your all is "warm & fuzzy at Headingley & they can do no wrong approach" i shouldn't be surprised. sleepy.gif
If you get out of those nappies & want to talk with the grown ups bring something rellevant to the table other than name calling ,dodgy bets & taking everything out of context especially wrt games YOU DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND!! icon_thumb.gif icon_ass.gif

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