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Quote: loiner81 "
Quote: loiner81 "If they cover the wages saved on the departures then GH has had his pants pulled down.
Also given the Marquee allowence on the SC id say its more likely we have money available but GH is doing it on the cheap after the bill for Kirkstall.'"


I never said they replaced any wages lost or that we don't have money to spend, I was simply pointing out the sloppyness of the OP.
I also don't remember GH saying we don't have money to spend should the right player become available.

Pointless thread really.'"


I don't get involved in the petty squabbling on here, but jeez you do come across as super defensive whenever anyone questions the direction taken by the club or GH. Just because you might not like what is being inferred does not make it a 'pointless thread really'.

I'm a massive fan of GH's, have said plenty of times that I see him as one of, if not THE most important arrivals at our club ever.... And I'm not one to write of this team under any circumstances, but, there has to be question marks over the current squad and how it's got to where it is.

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: Superted "I don't get involved in the petty squabbling on here, but jeez you do come across as super defensive whenever anyone questions the direction taken by the club or GH. Just because you might not like what is being inferred does not make it a 'pointless thread really'.

I'm a massive fan of GH's, have said plenty of times that I see him as one of, if not THE most important arrivals at our club ever.... And I'm not one to write of this team under any circumstances, but, there has to be question marks over the current squad and how it's got to where it is.'"


It's a pointless thread because, unless i've missed it, no one from the club have said there's no money to buy players.
If the thread had been titled "Where's the much needed half back Gary" then i'd agree, because unless McGuire finds his 2015 form and stays fit all year then we do need one. I can see why we've held off though, as risky as it is.

Hope that's OK.

PS. I'm not defensive about the club at all. I don't like the often made up bull that some posters come out with and regularly pull them on it, there's a difference.

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June 1st 2016: GH states we're spending the full cap

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/36426682

Should simplify the calculations somewhat if what he said was true.
June 1st 2016: GH states we're spending the full cap

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/36426682

Should simplify the calculations somewhat if what he said was true.


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if this squad is spending the full cap then somebody needs sacking.

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Quote: loiner81 "It's a pointless thread because, unless i've missed it, no one from the club have said there's no money to buy players.
If the thread had been titled "Where's the much needed half back Gary" then i'd agree, because unless McGuire finds his 2015 form and stays fit all year then we do need one. I can see why we've held off though, as risky as it is.

Hope that's OK.

PS. I'm not defensive about the club at all. I don't like the often made up bull that some posters come out with and regularly pull them on it, there's a difference.'"


It's doesn't matter one jot whether I think it's OK. My point is that the OP obviously wanted to discuss the current squad in direct comparison to 2015 and the perceived lack of spending, there's no need for the digs or calling the thread pointless.

You've given your opinion on the halfback situation above (which I agree with btw), and it would just be better to give your thoughts on the subject in your first post rather than pointing out the OPs 'sloppiness' - this place would be better if people just shared opinions rather than going for the 'one-up manship' tact, and trying to boost their own ego because they think it makes them look 'smarter' than some other random person on a message board.

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Quote: tad rhino "if this squad is spending the full cap then somebody needs sacking.'"


Absolutely!

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Let's all agree with loiner 81 he knows everything?

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You guys understand that the decade of success was built on loyalty on both sides? Younger but very able players earning less than they could with the tacit or not so tacit agreement that down the line they would benefit from their patience. A whole host of players moved up several rungs in the pecking order with the 2015 retirements and moved up in salary. It's utterly plausable - indeed very likely - that Leeds are once again near cap with probably some wriggle room to bring in someone if we need to urgently.

Don't glory in the trophy laden years then criticise the method used to fund them. We're not quite paying back debts but we are paying back loyalty - and yes if those same players aren't delivering any more or were being carried by those who have now left then that is unfortunate. But those long contracts got us the over-spec'd squads which won the treble in the first place.

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Agree up to a point. If that is the case then when Burrow, McGuire and JJB retire we should expect to see some reasonably major recruitment.

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but those 3 players will be on much reduced contracts

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Which Super League clubs have spent big on star players in last 5 years?

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "You guys understand that the decade of success was built on loyalty on both sides? Younger but very able players earning less than they could with the tacit or not so tacit agreement that down the line they would benefit from their patience. A whole host of players moved up several rungs in the pecking order with the 2015 retirements and moved up in salary. It's utterly plausable - indeed very likely - that Leeds are once again near cap with probably some wriggle room to bring in someone if we need to urgently.

Don't glory in the trophy laden years then criticise the method used to fund them. We're not quite paying back debts but we are paying back loyalty - and yes if those same players aren't delivering any more or were being carried by those who have now left then that is unfortunate. But those long contracts got us the over-spec'd squads which won the treble in the first place.'"

Yet during those successful years GH has proven to be ruthless wrt players like Mckenna Bai Senior Mcdermott Lauittiti Calderwood Dunneman & a host of fringe players so lets not try & re-write history.
Also we always recruited from a position of strength not weakness 2015 was always going to be the "cut off" highlighted when Sinfield & JP confirmed their respective departures how that transition has been handled is at best not good enough for a Club of our size & stature.
Throw in long term 1st team deals to passengers Delaney & Achurch it shows where GH has strayed away from that ruthless streak that laid the foundations fir our success.
So lets not go all "you aren't allowed to ? Or shouldn't ?" Where we are now or how we got here it's pretty easy for all to see.

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "Which Super League clubs have spent big on star players in last 5 years?'"

Who says we should be spending "big"?

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Where's the money Garry
Decent wedge built up for Garry in his own pension fund legally earned through his past endeavour.
Now it's time to start rebuilding the team fergie style and keep on earning maintain success for the club and fans.
What we can't have is Garry doing nothing Venga style padding out the years with mediocre teams for his own personal gain.
Garry has brought amazing success to the club and I for one am extremely grateful now is the time Garry.

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