He didnt until desperation from TS breathed life into his International career, at half-time v Australia he was done.

He's now a "All Time Great" now though, FFS people are nuts round here!!

KS is clearly a Leeds great, without question.

But a great of the game? This Saturday is probably the first time he's been guaranteed a place in what has been a fairly awful GB/England team.

Having said that, I dearly hope he goes down as an all time great of the game, as it will mean he has helped us to win something

I believe Cunningham is a St Helens great but can never claim to be an all time great of the game as he didn't produce against the best of the best.

Sean Long has been as influential, if not more so, at Saints as Sinfield. He's won more trophies and more personal awards. He had a couple of good games for GB, including winning us a game against Australia in Sydney.

Do you think he is an all time great of the game? Or just a St Helens great?

Difference of opinion I guess. I dont think Sean Long has been as influential at Saints as Sinfield at Leeds.

Sinfield does not only have personal honours, but it is the leadership side where I see him as a great. Would Leeds have won the honours without his leadership of the side? some would say yes, I don't beleive so personally. We as a club have been incredibally lucky to have such a player. I for one will never forget this player for years and years to come.

In fairness to Ramrod we should examine the merits of his claim.

For those who admire Sinfield the following can be relied upon.

Captained his club to 4 titles in 6 seasons.
Captained his club to three other major finals.
Lance Todd winner.
Harry Sunderland Winner
MOM winner in a WCC
Hosts of Leeds awards and records inc Player of the Year
Capped regularly by GB since 2000
Capped regularly for England
MOM in Saturday's high stake international against the World Champions
Nominee for Golden Boot 2009

For those who wish to denigrate Sinfield we have....

The insane ramblings of tinyrod posted during his golden time PC access and the home for the specially gifted.

As a one time poster (who himself would be red faced about Sinfield's nomination) would say.....

bwah ha ha ha ha.

There aren't many players from our competition that get nominated for the Golden Boot.

There aren't many players from the Super League era who have played in an international against the worlds' best opposition with such high stakes and have walked away with a man of the match award.

If we're going to bestow greatness on anyone from this era then I can think of none who would merit it more.

That is without getting into a discussion about what greatness really constitutes and looking at kevin's professionalism, dedication, position as role model, articulate nature etc.

Imagine Kevin played Rugby Union. He'd be canonized by now.

Absolutely no argument from me about that, which is what makes him a Leeds great.

Hopefully this series has given him the confidence to kick on at international level and nail his place for years to come.

Perhaps more importantly, he now seems to have the full confidence of the coach and his performances have earned the support of the England fans, which he has never really had until now.

A decent clubman you say?



He did a fantastic job protecting the halves on Saturday.

A decent clubman you say?

You would be wrong, there. There have been times too numerous to mention when Longy has won games for us, not only in his last minute drop goals but in his reading of a game, natural creativity and organisational skills. His presence at Saints has been crucial to their success. Absolutely crucial. Granted, over the last couple of seasons that has waned, but he had 12 years with us. Having said that, I don't think we would have beaten Wigan in the playoffs if it hadn't been for Longy. Not only was he everywhere for the full 80, he singlehandedly saved two tries. Once again, he won us a match, even in his last weeks with us. He is a very tough act to follow for any potential no.7 both in terms of his own skills and also so far as his influence upon Saints is concerned.