Quote: Juan Cornetto "Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them. What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership? and are they planning to accelerate that membership? Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy. Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.'" Turkey have currently met 1 of the 35 criteria for EU membership. There are some criteria, particularly around its human rights record, freedom of expression and the future of Cyprus which it simply is never going to meet. Any EU member state can at any time veto their membership application. Sarkozy has come out and said that Turkey joining the EU is unthinkable, and it would require 60% of the French assembly to support their membership to prevent France from using its veto under their constitution. www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 93601.html Read the direct quote from Cameron in that article for what he actually said about Turkey joining the EU. It's not true. Again, another example of the official Leave campaign using scare tactics which I'm sure you'll dismiss. In the same way that you apparently "didn't hear" Gove comparing economists to Nazi-funded scientists yesterday, despite it being the biggest news story of the morning.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "Did the Leave campaign place these adverts? the Remain campaign are like all bullies they give it out and complain if some comes back at them. What is the current UK and EU governments position regarding EU membership? and are they planning to accelerate that membership? Even if it takes 10 or 20 years eventually they will join based on current policy. Cameron refused to answer 3 times if he would veto Turkey's membership on TV the other night.'" Turkey have currently met 1 of the 35 criteria for EU membership. There are some criteria, particularly around its human rights record, freedom of expression and the future of Cyprus which it simply is never going to meet. Any EU member state can at any time veto their membership application. Sarkozy has come out and said that Turkey joining the EU is unthinkable, and it would require 60% of the French assembly to support their membership to prevent France from using its veto under their constitution. www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 93601.html Read the direct quote from Cameron in that article for what he actually said about Turkey joining the EU. It's not true. Again, another example of the official Leave campaign using scare tactics which I'm sure you'll dismiss. In the same way that you apparently "didn't hear" Gove comparing economists to Nazi-funded scientists yesterday, despite it being the biggest news story of the morning.

You're not confusing the EU with the Euro here are you? I'd hate to think you'd make that kind of obvious error.

Negotiations start next week, at which point Turkey will be told it still needs to meet another 34 of the 35 criteria for EU membership.

France will not agree to them joining unless Turkey acknowledges the 1915 Armenian genocide. Not a cat in hell's chance of Turkey doing that.

Those are facts. Dismiss them all you like, but they are facts. To pretend they aren't is just you lying to yourself.

Nope, but thanks for your concern

Turkey must also remove its occupying forces from an existing EU member state.....with the demented, despot Erdogan in power there is fat chance of that either. He aspires to resurrect the Ottoman empire.

Juan will know as much as anybody that Cameron could not state he would use his veto for fear of jeopardising the UK's present or future relationship with Turkey whatever that might be (perhaps Turkey is in clandestine backhander negotiations to buy Eurofighters? - who knows?). In the murky world of politics things there are always vested interests....Perhaps Cameron is playing at being Turkey's best friend in the EU for other future UK benefits, knowing as you say the EU can/will never agree to Turkey to accede in a month of Sundays.

It IS a red herring.

Of course Turkey might become a part of the EU at some stage in the future; but when is anybody's guess. For sure it is a very long way off ..and that's on the basis the world order remaining as it does today. Turkey might yet start WW3 by shooting down a second Russian jet that strays a few millimetres into its territory after another bombing mission to help the Kurds.

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I see you have joined those that make predictions of what may happen and state it as a fact

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Either way Mr Cameron has been speaking with a forked tongue

Quote: Juan Cornetto "INOUTI see you have joined those that make predictions of what may happen and state it as a fact rlhttps://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/abandon-ship-brexit-great-britains-escape-ben-garrison-cartoon/rl'" I've seen that going round Twitter with people pointing and laughing at it as the worst cartoon ever made. Anyone who uses it in seriousness should be instantly dismissed as a crank, and it's no surprise to see you post it. Try this instead. https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y

Quote: Juan Cornetto "INOUTI see you have joined those that make predictions of what may happen and state it as a fact rlhttps://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2016/06/11/abandon-ship-brexit-great-britains-escape-ben-garrison-cartoon/rl'" I've seen that going round Twitter with people pointing and laughing at it as the worst cartoon ever made. Anyone who uses it in seriousness should be instantly dismissed as a crank, and it's no surprise to see you post it. Try this instead. https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y

Which bits of "Turkey has 34 more criteria to meet before it can be considered for EU entry" and "France has stated that it will use its veto unless Turkey acknowledges the Armenian genocide" aren't facts?

Do you have some OPTA stats to support your opinion that these facts aren't actually facts?

Never the less you are making a guess and saying it is a fact. May I remind you again that the main economic expert you put forward made a 180 U-turn and admitted he had need 100% wrong on his most important prediction regarding the Euro. You have to be a bit naive to believe a politician may not have a change of mind. The EU has a history of changing the rules when it wants to. It maybe a fact that France has said it will use its veto but this does not mean it will when it comes to it. The EU is looking at all ways to accelerate Turkey's membership and that includes reviewing the 34 criteria you speak of. I do hope you didn't vote to remain based on trusting a French politician.

For someone with an insistence on not using opinion as fact, that's a blinder.

I'll leave it there thanks.