Maybe people think he might have had a bad attitude because of comments like these from Hetherington and McDermott when he was released

At the bottom of the YEP article about Amor and Ambler it says that Bailey is contracted to 2012. It also seems to be talking as though Grifin is a certainty.

It's a nice article, and I hope JP is right. It begs the question whether BM gets another year for his "revolution" to work.... If JP really believes there is positive change afoot then I would bow to his superior judgement. Of course if could just be soundbites... He is, however, a man who knows a thing or two about RL at the top level in this country. If he says I'm wrong in my views of the current coach, then I would probably reconsider.

What I would dispute is that Leeds have "turned their season around" recently. Still clinging on to 6th and were not (contrary to the 2nd comment) all that good against Cas.

I've been away and I'm catching up on threads. How reliable is the whisper for these 2 players and has the Buderus player exchange still not been agreed?

Jennings is no chance. Despite his off-field issues he'd be snapped up by any NRL team. Withers is rubbish.

What gets me is that if GH wanted some kind of 'revolution' he appointed a guy who's only experience was running a team on a shoestring. He should have gone for someone experienced from the NRL, given them carte blanche to make changes, and been public about his intention. As it is, I still think the GF win in 2009 delayed GH starting to look at wholesale changes to the players, and in a cap constrained world its impossible to replace 4/5 quality players every year with similar anyway.

Whilst the squad is ageing, I disagree entirely that a better coach wouldn't have kept us more competitive in more games this year. Absolute cobblers.

So we might have only lost to Warrington and Saints by 10-12 points rather than getting cleaned out?

I'm sure you know as well as most people that small things can make a big difference in points in a game. Just because a team wins by 30 points, doesn't mean that the team is that much better, especially when the points come towards the end of the game. Its a fairly common pattern in the game.

But it usually does show the quality differential - as RL is terretorial game it takes time for the superior side to make the terretorial gains convert into winning margins. It is no surprise to most that the score difference happens in the final 20 minutes in most games.

Leeds have taken two hammerings home and away by Saints and Warrington - are you saying all 4 games were just blips and the score didn't reflect the games?

I remember these comments, and the way i see it, is that burgess was playing well and warranted his place in the 17 reguardless of whether he wanted to go to aus, he would have been happy to play out his contract and go to souths at the end of the season. He clearly felt he deserved his place in the team, and wanted to play week in week out, and imo you cant blame him he was playing well. Smith, calderwood, walker etc all annouced they would not be signing a new deal, but were allowed to play out their contracts.

if MAC was an FA Prem manager he would have been out now surely

Further illustrating that footballs a load of s h I t.

Am I missing something here?

The article quotes JP as saying “A lot of things needed changing regarding behaviour and culture and Macca got on top of that,” said Peacock.

Im not privvy to the inner workings of the club but where does he say that peoples attitudes or committment were being brought into question?

What he says is that they needed a change. JP then goes on to say that most coaches have a short shelf life, presumambly because things get stagnant after a while.

It was pretty clear in Blueys last season that we were on a downward path so the decision to change coach was probably correct. The problem is just who he changed it too as so far, its hasnt worked.

As I said Burgess' attitude has been fairly openly brought into question by GH.

I can't remember Sinny's exact comments but I remember they were fairly candid and I don't know how you can think that JP's quote isn't fairly damning - wouldn't "behaviour and culture" include peoples attitudes?

Anyway the original point being responded to was that



and my point is that a player should not be selected purely on the basis of his playing ability (remember the Dougie Laughton days anyone?) but also on his "behaviour and culture"/attitude - it's a team game and the coach is the boss whether the players (or fans) like his selections or not

At most clubs, probably. However, I think the Premier League management merry-go-round has served to prove that changing a manager rarely solves the problems. It only ever solves them if you get somebody in who is significantly better than what you had.

You shot your load a bit early eh RR?

"[sizeI've probably played it down a little bit, saying I'm a back rower who is filling in at centre because of injuries there, but it's a position I've probably grown into as I've played there[/size," he said.

"You get used to it. I had to adapt my game. I prefer playing back row but I can't say I dislike centre. In fact I'm quietly enjoying it.

"It's only one spot different but it's a real specialist defensive position and you can get found out if you don't work hard on it.

"I played a few games at centre when (ex-coach) Tony Smith was here so it's not a position I'm unfamiliar with. I've played there for the last eight or nine games so I've got my head around it."

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