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| Quote: Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino "Well......
At least we know where were at.
For me it has to be Wane. He's not afraid to ruffle feathers, would instantly add a bit of toughness and based over here would see the players week in week out.
It may sound disrespectful, but he's simplify our plays and get us playing to our strengths instead of apeing a style that we cant copy.'"
Agree. He’s available and his style should be easier to replicate at international level than some others.
Also, there’s a side to me that just utterly hates seeing us beaten rather tamely and whilst I get you can’t have a modern day Barrie Mac elbowing players in the head anymore, I desperately want to see more fight at GB/England level. I want to see more runs like the one Philbin put in. I want to see everytime there’s a slight scuffle that every player is ready to tvvat an Aussie if need be. I think we’re too pally and often too respectful of the Aussies. I don’t just wanna beat them, I want us to fck em up. I think we’re missing the kind of obvious passion that gets both players and fans excited.
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| Change needed for sure. Most (all?) of the SL players who appeared for Tonga and PNG had great games. Contrast that with ours. There aren't too many explanations that stack up, other than the coaching and leadership.
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| Bennet is a good coach if you've got all season long as cutting out errors and playing the percentages will pay off. Also if you are coach of Australia it will pay off as you have the world's best players so the scores will come.
Our side has showed no lack of effort although they have had the passion taken out of them.
We will not beat the Aussies with composure. Our only chance is to smash them off the park and show some flair and freedom in the backs. We can't and won't ever beat them at their own game. Wane for me. I certainly won't go to any games against Oz if Bennet is still coach as it's boring and we will lose (even if narrowly).
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| Quote: Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino "Well......
At least we know where were at.
For me it has to be Wane. He's not afraid to ruffle feathers, would instantly add a bit of toughness and based over here would see the players week in week out.
It may sound disrespectful, but he's simplify our plays and get us playing to our strengths instead of apeing a style that we cant copy.'"
And that maybe why he won't get the job?
I hope I'm wrong. Whether you like him or his style of play is generally irrelevant. The majority of players who have played for him love him, he's straight with them and they know what to expect. He's not the shouter and bawler that many people think, although he does have his "moments" if instructions are not obeyed.
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| If all we do is look at the international team coaching set up then nothing will change. In the real world Mickey Mouse or Dave Heron's Moustache could be GB coach and the team should still be able to go out and perform. British RL needs to take a long hard look at itself and ask why we have such a weak talent pool and why the international team have consistently played at a level well below our best club sides for decades.
Does it matter who coaches Australia? Does anyone think "oh they'll be $h!t with him in charge"? Of course not.
This is it, we change or the game dies here.
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| That’s it, the nail on the head. Making GB or England genuinely competitive starts with the kids coming in to the game, and ends with putting the right person in charge of the National team, with many steps in between.
It will take years to get there if indeed we ever really do.
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| No money in the game. No trickle down to the amateur game, and developing areas. These are the places that the talent pool comes from and the RFL have cut corners for years.
Compare with football or even ru and how the game is run at grass roots is miles away
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| Comparing RL with football and RU isnt a fair comparison to be fair. They are loaded with money and RFL doesnt have threpence.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "And that maybe why he won't get the job?
I hope I'm wrong. Whether you like him or his style of play is generally irrelevant. The majority of players who have played for him love him, he's straight with them and they know what to expect. He's not the shouter and bawler that many people think, although he does have his "moments" if instructions are not obeyed.'"
Well if it is, we've already lost the battle. If people cant handle having their noses put out of joint at this level, cant take one in the gut or one on the chin then they dont deserve to be at this level. Stand aside.
We will not beat the Aussies at their own game, we dont have the players they do, playing to that level and with the origin factor to boot, that alone is a tremendous advantage.
I want Wane because he can come in and do the job from the off, he's hungry, he has the passion and doesn't need 96 training sessions to get his methods across. Thats not me saying hes not got the smarts for the job, he has but he'll make sure that you WILL do the basics correctly, isnt afraid to pick youth or even trust it in pressure situations and will have players running through walls.
Powell is a great club coach whos methods are best suited to daily interaction with his players, we wont have that time luxury unfortunately. Wane to come in and get us up and running, then you can get a Powell type in to round off the edges so to speak.
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| We won't beat Aus playing some off the cuff supposed "British" style or an outdated overly structured style favpured by Wane or by "running through walls" either.
Doesn't mean Bennett should stay, I'd say it looks like he had no interest in this series at all and just phoned it in.
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "Comparing RL with football and RU isnt a fair comparison to be fair. They are loaded with money and RFL doesnt have threpence.'"
I agree that the RFL doesn't have the same funds that the other sports do, but that's partly because the organisation is a shambles from top to bottom.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "We won't beat Aus playing some off the cuff supposed "British" style or an outdated overly structured style favpured by Wane or by "running through walls" either.
Doesn't mean Bennett should stay, I'd say it looks like he had no interest in this series at all and just phoned it in.'"
Most wins we have had against them in my life time have been by playing a positive aggressive brand of rugby against Australia. I still think that is the way we get our first win against them in what will be 14 years this time next year.
I still believe we have the players to give the Aussies in their current state a real go next year with the right coach picking the right players. Bennett has to go though; he doesn't have the backing of the fans anymore so we will just be delaying the inevitable when we could be using the ashes to build for the vital home world cup 12 months later under a new regime.
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| What players? We've got no fullback worth squat, our best wingers are slow and we've got maybe one centre who can match the best physically.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "We won't beat Aus playing some off the cuff supposed "British" style or an outdated overly structured style favpured by Wane or by "running through walls" either.
Doesn't mean Bennett should stay, I'd say it looks like he had no interest in this series at all and just phoned it in.'"
Im not for one minute saying we will, the problems with British RL are much deeper and profound than that at all levels. Lack of investment, lack of strategic leadership and too much squabbling over limited resources at all levels.
It'll just be a poop-side better than watching a super-coach "phoning it in"
Wane might not be a long term appointment but if he can get the team structured, motivated and getting the basics right then all the "off the cuff" flair can come later. Its the basics done to a very consistently high level under immense pressure that sets us and the Aussies apart, they can do it, we cant.
That's down to the respective sports standing in the countries, they play to a consistently higher level week in / week out in a highly nationally regarded comp, with blue chip sponsors and excellent TV deals. We are seriously lagging behind in the UK with these levels, were levelling down IMO and the tail is wagging the dog.
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