Ward didn't give away one penalty last night.

this should have been sorted in the off season sal and you know the 2 players i would have brought in from outside of the club to rectify this

sutty has to get an extended starting role in the halves and i would also be prepared to give lilley a shot in the 7 role based on last nights abject performance from our incumbent halves

For a side with a 34 year old and a 32 year old at half-back, the lack of leadership around the park was absolutely shocking.

No questioning the effort, but there are players in this Leeds side who seem to need a vocal organiser on the field to tell them what to do and where to run, and neither Sinfield nor McGuire were providing it.

Burrow did his usual trick of running up his own backside. Against well organised defences he offers nothing. Credit to Hull FC for managing to make him look like a superstar last week.

The McGuire-Sutcliffe partnership went well in pre-season. With Sinfield off the field McGuire seems much more prepared to take on a leadership role rather than sink back into his comfort zone of playing second fiddle. Time to revive it against Wigan, if Sinfield is going to play then it's off the bench to spell Aiton at dummy half.

As for the output from Peacock and Leuluai, the least said the better. JP looks like the cue is already on the rack and this is a farewell tour of SL, while Leuluai simply can't cut it at this level any more. With the vastly reduced amount of minutes both are getting, it seems the coach has come to a similar conclusion.

What happens between now and February 2016 is going to be pivotal in how the club performs over the next 5-10 years. I just hope the CEO isn't content to settle for hoping the cheap option of the Academy coughing up another "Golden Generation".

I agree but one of the halves is an untouchable and will be selected regardless of form which has ben woeful since Shaun Johnson waltzed passed him.

Lilley is a good call especially once the position in the top eight is secured - some evolution needs to happen, Sutcliffe doesn't seem to be getting a fair crack of the whip to me.

he will =/

David - both halves are untouchable irrespective of form.

When was the last time McGuire was dropped when fully fit, despite some mediocre showings over the last couple of years? You could argue that the lack of alternatives has hamstrung the coach in previous seasons. That is clearly no longer the case.

I still think it's too early for Lilley. I'd like to see how he goes in open age rugby, maybe out in Champ One on loan somewhere the defences are a bit more wise and there are old heads who will try to take him off his game. Let him get some confidence under his belt of knowing he can cut it against "grown-ups" before moving him into SL.

As I said previously, McGuire looks a better player with Sinfield off the field. Do you sacrifice the captain's goal-kicking to bring Sutcliffe into the side, particularly when one of your other kicking options is currently busier doing house calls in Burley at 3am rather than concentrating on his game?

now your trolling your own forum. :lmfao

Penalty count 7-1 in favour of the Wolves.
Only in Bentham's world.
I did refer to him as hometown when I saw he was to be the ref.
I know he wasn't the sole reason we lost but he sure didn't harm their efforts.

Hardaker would have stopped Penny's try last night. Warrington might still have scored off the back of the move of course. No quibbles over losing.

Of the 'golden triumvirate' I have always previously advocated dispensing with McGuire first but at least he can still offer the possibilities of sometimes putting in a decent killer cut out/long pass ....I have to concede I am now becoming another who must question Sinfield's automatic selection. It's hard to conceive of a leeds side without its great captain when available, but of the 3 he might be just the one that should make way for Sutcliffe next match.

We will succed to a decent level this season despite "dad's army" if only because SL standards are anything but improving. Apart from Westwood there was nobody I would covet to any large degree from Warrington's performance last night.

You do have to wonder what Mulhern couldn't do that Kylie does in his 10 minute spells and it is becoming ever more obvious that both our pensioner props should be playing their last season. It is sad to see their decline
Maybe they can both raise their games for the odd match but on a week to week basis neither shoud be first choice any more. The transition and rebuilding should start with Singleton, Delaney and Cuthbertson being the starting props includng '3rd prop' at LF.

Anyone remember Daryl Powell holding his hands up, and actually telling the coaching team that we had better options for stand off than him, and he was finding it tough in the role at the stage of his career.

Of course Harris was the other option, but still that epitomised Powell.

To be fair to Sinny, he has already told the club he plans to retire at end of 2016, hence the Hardaker plans, but maybe it is catching up quicker than he thought.

Fair point about McGuire - personally I would like to see the young players brought the first team route rather than being farmed out to clubs where their participation is begrudged at best. At least the senior players should have a vested interest in protecting and guiding them something they will not get at the South Leeds Stadium.

It never did the members of the golden generation any harm and it could be argued they were being exposed to a much higher standard than the youngsters of today.

Let's hope the wheels don't come off that plan over the next few weeks.

Connotations of a possible P60 there rather than a P51D for sure

My view on last night performance.

I believe that we lost because of Moon’s premature departure. It disrupted our attacking options, defensive pattern and over all game plan.

Golding did well for his debut but was found out of position a couple of times and he has to realise he’s not in the U19’s anymore, sometimes the pass is a much better option than trying to dance round a very organised and effective defence.

A couple of really good kicks aside, Burrow didn’t offer much in attack and I’m starting to think that we might have better a better option in Sutcliffe.

Wire’s defence was one of the best I’ve seen for a while and I doubt that may teams would have put more than a handful of points past them.