maybe you need to get a bird!

I'm sure I don't need to tell you that Eric Harris' 391 tries alone could not amass 1,205 points.

John Atkinson never kicked a goal for Leeds and rarely put boot to ball either. Favouring his right foot, whenever he did it would invariably sail into the stands to much mirth.

Correct as per the gospel according to Ken.

I would be the wife wouldn't be too impressed.

Interesting to see a lad you described as "stealing a wage" ranked higher than your hero.

Ranked higher in terms of try scoring but that's where it ended for me. On that list he also ranked higher than Lewis Jones (amongst others) so make of that what you will.

Cummins' main/sole contribution throughout his career was finishing off the good work of others and it's a job he did quite well. He once or twice created opportunities for himself but they, from memory, came early in his career and were few and far between. He was in my estimation a very limited player otherwise.

The description 'stealing a living' was applied to the period after 2001 when Leeds released Raynor and extended Cummins' contract after Wakefield had turned him down. By that stage he had stopped putting his body on the line, working out of dummy half, chasing kicks downfield and yet under Daryl Powell was a permanent fixture on one wing in a typically underachieving team. It was highly significant that the first thing Tony Smith did in charge of Leeds was 'not select' (some might say 'drop') the previously untouchable Francis Cummins.

Just my opinion.

Andy,
I must certainly be the only one who posts on here who remembers seeing Eric Harris kick goals at Headingley. Although there will be some members of the Veterans Club who will no doubt remember.

At the time I didn't think Frannie warranted a place in our side (I'm thinking more of 2003/4 though), and preferred us to select the flawed, but highly dangerous Calderwood. However some of the things you've said about him tvoc are a little harsh IMO, he always gave 100% IMO, and until his pace went around 2002 he was a very very good finisher.

Did you agree with Raynor being released and Cummins being retained in 2001?

He may well have given his personal 100% but it was a largely ineffective effort post 2001. Wakefield didn't think he was worth taking on and I was disappointed that Leeds re-contracted him almost, as if, out of sympathy. Professional sport can be a harsh environment but occasionally I see Leeds shy away from making the tough but correct decisions with players.

Cummins was and continues to be a great club man though.