I thought that was our current squad building strategy. How many average (at best) players have we got on our books at the moment?

Title should be changed to "Happy clapper/Sea lion" or "Willing to call out obvious flaws"
I always find it amusing how wanting the Club/team to be better or at least maintain a successful plan is deemed "whinging".
That's not to say all our success and the players/coaches that bring it aren't appreciated they are but in elite sport failing to plan is planning to fail.
Our blueprint has been engraved on this Clubs crest for years so when it's ignored or even abandoned then it's rightly questioned and called out.
Throughout our success' Great players and Coaches have been encouraged or allowed to leave once their time is up many even a 1 year or 2 earlier.
Ignoring that has brought us to where we area squad top heavy with has beens never will bes and a load of promising u19's ready for their 1st team integration but in to squad lacking genuine quality and leadership.
Another thing is individual performances or specific game criticism if it's sh*& I and others will say so likewise if they have a dig then again that will be praised.
Nobody imo expects or demands to win every game or every trophy but as JP used to put it the "Non Negotiables" are just that which translates into 80 minutes of graft effort and a never give up attitude unfortunately that has been lacking too often for too long now.

Which would be fine, unfortunately some Leeds fans have constantly whinged even when we were winning everything going.

Again is that criticised whilst wanting better or whinging?
99% of points raised have a valid depth i.e selecting injured players ,not using the whole bench squad rotation poor signings etc.
Also a lot the points are specific to those individual games mate and are very valid of course no Team is perfect for al of the Time but obvious errors or are for improvement are fair points to make imo.

We're from Yorkshire! We're moaning old b******s! Check out the comments section on ANY Yorkshire newspaper site. They're laughable. We love to moan! We don't do positivity!

We all moan a bit when we lose, and especially when the team underperforms.

What's changed for me in the last few years is that management really took their eye off the ball right across the playing side of things, and I don't see why its not fair game to complain about that. Some (most?) of us have been worried for some time about what's been going on - junior development delivering little, poor signings and overlong contracts to substandard players, and most importantly seemingly no real plan as to how to turn things around. The only difference is when people started worrying and complaining - some as early as 2011, for me it was when we were awful in 2016, others don't seem to have decided we're in decline until the end of last year. You know what they say about opinions....

We're quite likely going to face our third season out of 4 being nowhere near challenging to win things. Anyone who doesn't see something to complain about with that is welcome to their blissful existence, but let us grouch in peace. If we didn't there'd be no forum at all.

Agree with this 100%. Could change the title to "Cheerleader or realist" or many other thread titles equally as childish as this "Rhino or Whino" one but none are really needed.

Theres nothing wrong with feeling your team could be doing better, or making your feelings and frustrations known on whats went wrong, how it could be improved etc. Theres also nothing wrong with not really paying attention to any of the problems and focusing on being positive regardless of how the team are playing or how good, bad, or indifferent the club is doing as a whole, be that recruitment, retainment, coaching etc. Every supporters different and thats fine, some go a bit far in either direction, but thats still ok.

What i find annoying is when you get people saying others arnt real fans or whinos as the OP so maturely puts it, because they dare have a negative opinion on anything to do with the club.

Depends on how you want to quantify your criticisms for me.

Fans most certainly have a right to be critical of the club. But this should be balanced and realistic, alongside an appreciation of the positive developments at the club and the constraints they are working under, instead of the one-sided knee-jerkery that many posters on this board like to indulge in, usually immediately following a defeat or poor performance.

What we see on the field is only a part of the club's operations, and with the best will in the world towards those claiming insider insights, these are going to be partial at best. This makes it difficult to judge who is at fault for issues of recruitment (GH, Sinfield, Furner, Mac etc), the failings of players (ability, effort/motivation, injury - disclosed or not), and the state of team morale etc etc.

Its not just this board or our fan base, Literally any fan base of any sports team in the world is the same. Im often on Oakland Raiders forums and they make all us seem like lifelong best buds and even the most critical of the club on here dont hold a candle to some of them. As Brisbane said, If we all agreed and no one had any criticism of anything when they think its warrented, it would be boring.

when we won from 5th the players look back on it as great yet was often dull to watch , 2015 was the best to watch since 2005 . this season while not expecting to win anything have had some entertaining halfs unfortunately followed some of th worst

It’s an interesting point, I mean we've served up some dross this year but that usually been on the back of some good attractive play, we just cant seem to defend a lead, look at Wigan tonight, yes they won but they looked absolutely atrocious to my eyes

It isnt the point that you can't criticise the club, of course you can especially on the back of poor performances (for whatever reason). It's the manner of criticisim that is in question. Booing the team as they leave the field isn't constructive. Saying they should buy this player or that also. It might be a wish list but i want a Lamborghini and that's not happening either.
Fans need to be more realistic in their expectations and what is actually acheivable

To be fair i dont think its unrealistic expect/want us to maintain the foundations or blueprint that brought so much success.
Granted it doesnt always guarantee success but its a clear plan everyone can see & get behind.

Whilst I agree you would absolutely stick to a blueprint that brings success, it's not always that easy. As has been alluded to elsewhere on this thread, the rugby operation is just one part of the business and like any other business the priorities/demands change as times move on. I agree things could absolutely have been done differently to try and stop this slide. But then again, that's my outside view on this as I have absolutely no idea about the inner workings of the club or what is happening at boardroom level or what is happening at other clubs- IE, salaries offered to backroom teams elsewhere meaning we cannot/will not compete as we have other areas that need more immediate attention.

For me, we seem to be taking steps in the right direction RE recruitment. Yes there are grumbles about a couple of contract awards but when has that ever not been the case? Fingers crossed we continue with a recruitment drive and drip feed the youngsters in and head back to somewhere near the blueprint you mention.

What will be interesting is to see how things go on a corporate level during this "re-build" phase. Judging by the corporate car park before games at HQ, it's still doing decent business. On a superficial level, compare that car park and the value of the cars in there to that at other clubs and you can see there is probably a decent amount of money wondering around the various suites. How long they can maintain that whilst the product on the pitch is so poor is another question entirely which I think is why we will see a swing back to investment in the "rugby operation".