You may be right although last time I looked, the player stats had Garbutt on marginally over 7m per carry, a considerable decrease on what he was making over the first two or three games. And while I'm not one to go off stats alone (we've seen the silliness that can lead to) there might be a story emerging there none the less.

WE have had a miserable start to the season and 5 losses out of 6 was not what i expected when the fixture list came out. I will be patient and wait to see. Obviously the rebuild will take time and may even take 2-3 seasons before the club get themselves back to where they want to be. Dwelling on what has happened and pointing the finger in blame is futile and a waste of effort. We are where we are but i would like to see progress. We have seen glimmers of it at Saints and Salford but not much other evidence of it. Friday against London will be a good indicator on what has been worked on this week and hopefully some of the holes filled in. After London we have Catalan and Castleford, it doesn't get any easier does it!

What i have come on to say though is that i'm sick and tired of reading all the bashing of JJB & Ablett before they have even pulled a shirt on. Their experience is not to be underestimated, give them a chance to still prove their worth before rubbishing them. If they don't perform go ahead and criticise but they haven't caught a ball in anger yet! If they don't add value to the squand then i will admit it myself and say that it's a season too far but at least wait to see

Ablett's also 4 years younger than JJB at 33 so I'm not sure they can be put in the same category as past it.

Yep good post mate.

If we lose this game some might wake up and smell the coffee !!!

All these can leave/retire imo along with the likes of Myler Tui Handley T.Briscoe put on notice.
Jjb
Cuthbertson
Ablett
Sutcliffe
Ferres
L.Briscoe
Singleton
Donaldson
Golding
Lowes

Handley is terrible. Should be one of first.

Tui needs to go, Ben Walker style mid season. Appaling, unfit player.

Ben Walker was the worst half back i have seen in Rhinos colours,Until tubby Lolohea,dreadful signing.He is not on his own to be fair.Furners suitcases must be open at the very least

look on the bright side you have a nice shiny stadium

Will the last person to leave the stadium Turn The Liights Out!!!

Lolohea should be dropped and given one month to meet set weight and fitness levels or be fired. Its a basic requirement of his ability to play professionally.

Given the lack of quality options and given how bad we are I don't see how we could do worse if we put more kids in. I can't see that Furner has a choice other than to make big changes. Whilst too many aren't good enough, some clearly aren't putting in.

In his press conference he said he went with the same 13 to give them an opportunity to rectify last week. They didn't so significant changes need making, no use making an example of singleton otherwise.

It's about time others start to lose their jobs, great leaders on the pitch don't always make good leaders off the pitch, however small immediate changes are needed if only to set an example . Do,we stick with Furner, if so is this his own back room team if not let him bring his own team in, an example has to be made. Simply saying show more patience is being blind to the cause, wake up smell the coffee and accept that this rubbishy cannot continue

Exactly. We'd lose with the same 13 anyway, so start dropping some of them. Its time to give McClelland a go. But I'd also dump Handley, who's a donkey, and as many lightweight nothing forwards as we can. The next few games don't matter in terms of results - its effort and learning that matter now.