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| Quote: tvoc "I was watching the screen through the gaps in my fingers but half of me was still thinking 'do it, do it, do it.''"
I have to admit a large part of me was begging for 'NO TRY' to come up! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) I think the uproar on the saints board would be fantastic.
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7447_1318587549.jpg "Not once has anyone whinged, moaned, blamed refs or looked for answers other than what's inside. That's why this is special." - Brian McDermott 08th Oct 2011:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7447.jpg |
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| Quote: shambawangy "One Gem from Graham
"MOVE! I TOLD YOU TO F**KING MOVE!"'"
Should have gone for that, RL prides itself on 'respect' and rightly so. Had the ref been English (ie had a chance of understanding scouse) I'm certain action would have been taken - especially given his warning for dissent in the 1st half. Don't know why Graham insists on being such a tw@ as it more than overshadows his otherwise outstanding contribution to the game.
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| Quote: AJC "Should have gone for that, RL prides itself on 'respect' and rightly so. Had the ref been English (ie had a chance of understanding scouse) I'm certain action would have been taken - especially given his warning for dissent in the 1st half. Don't know why Graham insists on being such a tw@ as it more than overshadows his otherwise outstanding contribution to the game.'"
It's just raw passion to always be the best, which to be fair, he pretty much is. Yes he goes over the top but every great sportsman has had some flaw to his personality.
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| Quote: AJC "Should have gone for that, RL prides itself on 'respect' and rightly so. Had the ref been English (ie had a chance of understanding scouse) I'm certain action would have been taken - especially given his warning for dissent in the 1st half. Don't know why Graham insists on being such a tw@ as it more than overshadows his otherwise outstanding contribution to the game.'"
Alright then, put yourself in his position, defending his goal line against Warrington and the most clueless ref in the history of rugby league is in the way. What should he do when the addrenaline is rushing?
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7447_1318587549.jpg "Not once has anyone whinged, moaned, blamed refs or looked for answers other than what's inside. That's why this is special." - Brian McDermott 08th Oct 2011:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7447.jpg |
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| The game wasnt even in play! No matter how Useless/French the ref is there is no place for such verbal abuse. Maybe without your Saints specs on you'd see that
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| Quote: AJC "The game wasnt even in play! No matter how Useless/French the ref is there is no place for such verbal abuse. Maybe without your Saints specs on you'd see that'"
In spite of what that Saints fan says, if you look on our board you'll find there are a lot of Saints fans who agree with you. He should have been binned for it and he was very lucky that he wasn't.
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7447_1318587549.jpg "Not once has anyone whinged, moaned, blamed refs or looked for answers other than what's inside. That's why this is special." - Brian McDermott 08th Oct 2011:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7447.jpg |
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| Quote: Harrigan "It's just raw passion to always be the best, which to be fair, he pretty much is. Yes he goes over the top but every great sportsman has had some flaw to his personality.'"
Correct, but rules are rules and they should be respected, so when he does go 'over the top' he should be punished. The biggest discipline of all in RL is to stay within the rules, given the ferocious nature of the game. It is a massive flaw in Grahams game that he cannot contain his emotions in big games
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| Quote: Wheels "Ben Westwood, with a face like a bag of broken car parts.'"
But he speaks well of you!
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40515_1330766741.jpg Don't worry about avoiding temptation.
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| Can anyone explain why they have made these restrictions on what the video ref can judge on?
By limiting what can or cannot be judged on seems to go against justice. It does make it rather make a farce when the replay often shows blatant forward passes which cannot be taken into consideration and last night a Saints player 3 metres offside and who should have been penalised as the player played the ball. Come on Cummings get it changed!
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| They limit it so that the VR can't go back further back than the last ptb, otherwise we'd end up with VR's checking an entire set of 6. The forward pass thing is a bit weird, but since the wind can influence the flight of the ball it can't be checked 100% by the VR.
As for the Wilkin offside incident, as has been said the VR can't look at things until after the ball is played but isnt he still offside for that entire play, not just at the PTB? (assuming we said he is offside, which if he was it was by inches)
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40515_1330766741.jpg Don't worry about avoiding temptation.
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| Quote: BigRob "They limit it so that the VR can't go back further back than the last ptb, otherwise we'd end up with VR's checking an entire set of 6. The forward pass thing is a bit weird, but since the wind can influence the flight of the ball it can't be checked 100% by the VR.
As for the Wilkin offside incident, as has been said the VR can't look at things until after the ball is played but isnt he still offside for that entire play, not just at the PTB? (assuming we said he is offside, which if he was it was by inches)'"
Yes I understand you cannot go back to too far otherwise the stop in play would be too long, but the example last night was there was an offence at the last PTB ie blatant offside by the man that later gained the ball. So IMO that offence was within the timescale. ie at the last PTB. I think thats why the video ref was going to disallow the try. His mind was changed perhaps by listening to the Sky comments (despite their claims not to listen) Needs cleariing up as it could have cost Warrington 2nd place.
Again in most cases the VR highlights forward passes better than the officials IMO. The could add a line as in football offside. At the very least if the VR is inconclusive it can be handed back to the ref.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "Yes I understand you cannot go back to too far otherwise the stop in play would be too long, but the example last night was there was an offence at the last PTB ie blatant offside by the man that later gained the ball. So IMO that offence was within the timescale. ie at the last PTB. I think thats why the video ref was going to disallow the try. His mind was changed perhaps by listening to the Sky comments (despite their claims not to listen) Needs cleariing up as it could have cost Warrington 2nd place.
Again in most cases the VR highlights forward passes better than the officials IMO. The could add a line as in football offside. At the very least if the VR is inconclusive it can be handed back to the ref.'"
I agree it really does need clearing up and I'd also agree that the VR should be able to take a look at forward passes and, as you say, if its inconclusive pass it back to the ref. Though fans would have to take into account that just because a pass goes further downfield than from where it was passed it doesnt mean its automatically a forward pass. Issues like momentum and wind do affect passes.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "Yes I understand you cannot go back to too far otherwise the stop in play would be too long, but the example last night was there was an offence at the last PTB ie blatant offside by the man that later gained the ball. So IMO that offence was within the timescale. ie at the last PTB. I think thats why the video ref was going to disallow the try. His mind was changed perhaps by listening to the Sky comments (despite their claims not to listen) Needs cleariing up as it could have cost Warrington 2nd place.'"
If I remember right, Eddie et al said that because Halibut hadn't called offside the video ref couldn't go back and disallow the try for offside at the PTB. He simply was not allowed to look at it at all. The Sky guys said that Cummings had issued an edict about this following on from a disallowed try at Hull under the same circumstances. It might have been that Ganson misunderstood Halibut's request. Halibut might have been asking for Ganson to look at offside when Foster picked up the ball to score because it was chaotic, so the chances were that Halibut had not seen everything and simply wanted to check.
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11659.jpg Phil Bentham scoured the video tape and despite conclusive evidence that Smith was a half yard offside, he allowed the try to stand.
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| Don't let the facts get in the way though re the alleged offside by Wilkin. That joke of a ref was playing a big 10 metres. He may have been an inch or two in front but he was certainly back 10m based on the pitch markings. Just thought I'd point out the facts. Even if they could adjudicate on that aspect, he wasn't offside ![Smile icon_smile.gif](images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote: Big Dave Fairleigh "Just thought I'd point out the facts. Even if they could adjudicate on that aspect, he wasn't offside
Already been done earlier in the thread, although we're all entitled to an opinion on what constitutes an offside in that circumstance.
Far more apparent offsides within 10 meters of the try line go unpunished in every game and Saturdays was no exception. Is the rule still both feet? Either way most teams struggle to get even one foot close.
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