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Quote: Clay Morrow "The Criticism of Walker is laughable. He was one of the best players in a poor team performance against Warrington. and in the first 40 against Wigan again I thought he was very good. in the second half, he came up with some errors and was below the standard you expect. But he kept wanting the ball and was trying harder than anyone else to get us going and to create something.

i have seen nothing to suggest he believes his own hype or that his heart isn't at Leeds. I just think he's a Young lad who plays with confidence.'"



This.

Are people forgetting he is 19? he will have bad games, make errors and bad reads, he is learning his trade. On the one hand people on here call for the youngsters to be played then when one is he gets bagged after a relatively poor performance.

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Interesting as a Fev fan to see a few comments along the lines of players being "sent" to Fev. I always had the impression that we were offered players on a weekly basis, and indeed that seems to be backed up by the fact that Fev fans were told at a forum last year that we had turned down Leeds players on occasions (in fact a couple of your lads ended up going out on loan to other clubs).

To be honest I think that's why the arrangement has worked out so well - both clubs always state that they have a very good understanding with each other, and Fev coaches have always been very complimentary about the commitment and attitude of Leeds players playing on DR. I can literally only think of 1, maybe 2 occasions when I've felt a Leeds DR player's heart wasn't truly in it. I don't think that would be the case if players were being "sent" to Fev as if it were some sort of punishment.

We get loads of grief on forums from other Championship fans about being Fev Rhinos etc but to be honest I think a lot of that is jealousy and frustration that their own DR relationships haven't worked out so well. Some Championship teams have been badly messed about by their DR partners but that really doesn't seem to be the case between Fev and Leeds.

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Quote: Brodie123 "If we are all honest Walker is neither a Brent Web or a Zac Hardaker who is without doubt the best full back in the competition. Maybe the option to our full back position is to try and get a experienced full back who can tackle, catch a ball, has positional sense and know when to come into the line.'"


Is Gary Connolly is around?

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Quote: Brodie123 "Whatever the result on Friday was, Overall it was a much better display from the previous week. Having read this morning that the Rhinos are open for offers for Cuthbertson, Mullally and Parcel it now seems that that the club has made up their mind who they want and who they are prepared to sell or give away. If we can raise a few £'s then maybe we can go out and tempt a decent enough prop forward to join us. Regarding Friday and the display, it was a better performance, generally most of the team played well and its a shame that the Referee had a poor game. He picked up on everything that Leeds did, but seemed to turn a blind eye to some of the decisions for the Wigan team, but if that's what you get playing at home then we will be fine going forward. If we are honest certain players had a poor game, unfortunately when saying on here Walker had a poor game, then the abuse starts and for some reason players like Ash Golding when he wasn't playing gets slated, guys be honest. Singleton had one game against Warrington and he finds himself playing for Featherstone. for whatever reason he was sent there, Furner believed it was in his best interest. Maybe we should send some more players there if simply to get their level of fitness and attitude right. Next game is Salford away, they are top of the league you cannot have players playing who are off form.
If we are all honest Walker is neither a Brent Web or a Zac Hardaker who is without doubt the best full back in the competition. Maybe the option to our full back position is to try and get a experienced full back who can tackle, catch a ball, has positional sense and know when to come into the line.'"



Just out of interest, where did you read about the Rhinos being open to offers?

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Quote: craigizzard "Merrin hasn't been a second row for years. He's an all-round loose forward. It's Stevie Ward who should be in the 2nd row because he's never going to mske impact in the middle - I feared for him every time he was tackled. For Merrin to be at 13, we need another prop (whether Crosby or someone new).'"


Yes, I think Merrin will be most effective at loose forward similar to when we had Marc Glanville tidying things up in that position. As you say we need some effective props to be able to accomodate that.

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Quote: KaeruJim "Yep makes sense. You could spell Merrin with Cam Smith then.'"


Merrin & Cam Smith sharing duties at 13 sounds ideal to me.

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Quote: Gotcha "Another terrible decision, and punished again, awful officiating.'"


One that no-one seems to have mentioned is the failure to send Marshall to the sin bin after he held down to concede a penalty when the Wigan defence were in disarray. Professional foul & the sin-bin should have automatically followed.

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Quote: Holmes "One that no-one seems to have mentioned is the failure to send Marshall to the sin bin after he held down to concede a penalty when the Wigan defence were in disarray. Professional foul & the sin-bin should have automatically followed.'"

Yep I saw that at the time. IIRC it was just after a lolohea interception when the ball moved in field.

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Quote: kjrhino "Just out of interest, where did you read about the Rhinos being open to offers?'"


It's in League Express but all players are contracted and quite simply if an offer comes in and players says he doesn't want to go there is nothing team can do.

Cuthbo has been good for Leeds on and off the field but let's be honest, he's finished. Parcell looks unmotivated and uninterested, Mullally and Golding aren't going to play by looks. I can't see teams queuing up with offers.

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The salary cap is one thing, money is another. If Leeds really wanted rid of some players they could leave without a fee, and we would buy a junior from the same team at a vastly inflated price to “pay” for the first year salary of the former Leeds player.

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Quote: batleyrhino "The salary cap is one thing, money is another. If Leeds really wanted rid of some players they could leave without a fee, and we would buy a junior from the same team at a vastly inflated price to “pay” for the first year salary of the former Leeds player.'"


But if the contracted player says no what can you do? I'm sure all the players mentioned can leave for nothing.

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "But if the contracted player says no what can you do? I'm sure all the players mentioned can leave for nothing.'"

Painful as it might be on the field, it is right that the club honours its commitments, it's not the players' fault the club signed them up is it?
I would be surprised if any of these mentioned are still with us in 2020, possible exception of Golding.
Ferres is an interesting one for me; I'm guessing he's on good money and when he's fit he's probably worth it. But what do the club do if he's having a good season this year, given the previous two?

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Well Ryan Bailey managed it for years blowing hot n cold. Hot when his contract was up, cold when he didn't have to put it in. I for one really hope Ferres turns it around, early signs are positive but hes just cursed with injuries.

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "But if the contracted player says no what can you do? I'm sure all the players mentioned can leave for nothing.'"


I get your point and the approach isn’t very ”humanitarian”, but the answer is you tell them they will sit in the stands and not play, meaning their value to their next employer might not be what it is now.

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Quote: batleyrhino "I get your point and the approach isn’t very ”humanitarian”, but the answer is you tell them they will sit in the stands and not play, meaning their value to their next employer might not be what it is now.'"

It's not about "humanitarianism", it's about decency and professionalism I would suggest. The culture of the club/organisation is more important than expedience because we made some errors of judgement. As a club we need to take our medicine and get on with it.
Leeds built an unprecedented era of success on developing a culture which produced a winning side. You don't get that by stiff-arming employees when it suits you IMO.
The old mistakes will be washed out of the system in another season or two, to be replaced by brand new mistakes no doubt!

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