Agree regarding Walker. He lacks nothing in heart but is just a bit too lightweight in defence at times. Also his kicks out on the full were real poor plays. It doesn't matter how strong the wind is he should be able to land the ball in the field of play.
Lolohea should be dropped, but not sure if we could fire him for his weight issue? We signed an overweight player and that is what we have got. Poor recruitment by Sinfield.
The defensive display was so poor, especially in the first half, it is hard to single players out. JJB was at fault at times but so was the other second rower Smith. Indeed the much maligned Ferres may have strengthened the feeble defence.

Errors from 20 year olds playing in the firestorm pressure at Leeds is not a great surprise. Walker was brilliant against Cas and awful against Wigan and HKR. Inconsistency is quite common with inexperienced/under-developed lads.

Walker wasn't awful against Hull KR though, it is utter nonsense that people are talking. His kicking game with the drop out and two out on the full cost us though that is undeniable. And whilst the drop out is excusable as it was a risk worth going for, the kicks off were not. But people forget his 3 try saving tackles, and the amount of yardage he made, and when the attack moves were put on, the only danger to link. Not quite sure what these people think another fullback will bring, because none of the try's conceeded would have been altered by someone else, and that someone else would more than likely have a negative effect on the attacking plans.

Perhaps he needs to concentrate on his TV career with the awful Alex Simmons and interview himself about his performance.

He's done sadly. Great servant but time to fall on his sword.

The kicks apart I thought Walker had a good game and what has happened to Watkins and why is he captain when you have Merrin

I suggest you watch a replay of the try his elbow never ht the ground due to the fact Walker held it up.

It clearly hit the ground, no question on that.

Walker was one of our better performers, even with the crap kicks.

This board is full of people wanting to give kids a go, fine, but they will make mistakes and Jack Walker is learning his trade in one of the most difficult positions, he will have ups and downs.

In previous seasons when one of our kids made the inevitable mistakes, we had enough quality and determination to recover from it, these days it’s a different story.

Walker needs to develop, but the only way he’ll do that is by playing. Same for Smith and Oledzki.

What we desperately need for these kids to fulfil their potential is to surround them by better quality senior pros. GH and KS have made some terrible decisions in this regard in the last few years.

If you keep signing Championship players you will end up in the Championship.

The team looks like it lacks real pace especially in the forwards, halves and backs - everywhere basically.

Tackling is a real issue - not sure what they do in training. How many times will wingers score untouched against us before the coaching set up do something. As for JJB - time to retire when Drinkwater can run passed you you really do have a problem

I didn't think relegation was an issue but I do now - the likes of Albert aren't going to materially change anything in fact he will dilute an already poor squad

Interesting stats (if you like that sort of thing)

It's uprise teams are targeting our right hand side, Watkins made 28 tackles (with no misses), Hurrell made 3 (with 1 miss), Hurrell attacking stats are off the scale, 13 tackle busts, 235 metres, 15.7 average gain

Christopher; I get what you write BUT the statistic that matters is FORTY FIVE points. This, by HKR. A decent enough team, but hardly a Saints or Warrington. I honestly think that the players need to spend the next fortnight 'busting their balls' in training and doing nothing but goal line defence. Mind you, sadly Lowes will probably be involved and....?

I didn't post them up as some kind of proof we played well, more to show the stark difference between the two centres and to show where teams are targeting us.

Agreed. I haven't seen any evidence so far this season that JJB was worth keeping on another year. When we've got a few more forwards back from injury he shouldn't be near the first team. Perhaps he will decide to retire early? He's not going to enhance his legacy with the kind of performances he's putting in at the moment.

Otherwise... Psychologically, Leeds were clearly in the wrong place from the kick-off. Maybe Powell was right with his comments about the cup final last week?

Walker did not have a good game IMO - I agree he needs to improve his goal-line defence. He did get bashed around in the second half though. The kicks were frustrating.

Hurrell excellent as usual. Watkins is having to do a lot of defence. Unfortunately he looks like a shadow of the player he was at the start of last season.

I don't think the halves lost it for us (we lost because of soft defending), but at the same time, McGuire and Drinkwater were clearly the better pairing. I don't think Lolohea was so bad - he had a hand in a try and another came from one of his cross-field kicks. He took some wrong options otherwise with the kicking game but tbh I thought his kicks were more positive than Myler kicking for touch on every set. He doesn't look like a confident middle defender though.

Dwyer good again apart from the panic pass to Cuthbertson at a critical moment in the game, and a late miss (with JJB) on Drinkwater for one of the late tries. Merrin didn't look as dominant as last week. Few of the forwards seemed capable of really breaking through, whereas the HKR forwards (and Vai Vai) were busting our line with ease. Albert looked fine apart from the forced offloads.

One of our worst performances of the year, if not the worst. On the plus side the squad have a week to re-group with the CC tie. IMO time to rest those who have earned it (no point risking Hurrell and Merrin, both of whom seemed injured towards the end of our last two games). Not sure if the poorer effort players need to be made to play against Workington or replaced by kids. We should surely try out McLelland IMO.

But a lot of the tries were scored up the middle by players just shoving past defenders. Utter garbage.

My point re Walker is that right now, this season we can't afford 1 good game out of 3 or 4. When you're under the cosh its the most important position on the field. And 3 completely awful kicks is 3 more than any player should make.