I would say we are slightly below average.
But like I said 14 nil up at home against an average Wigan side missing some decent players and we should have won.
And if you think that was a good Wigan performance you are deluded.

Don’t worry everything is garbage according to some.

The better team won on the day, no question. We're a decent side, nothing more at this stage. Some semblance of consistency would be good to see. Consistency allows progress to be measured and action, where necessary, to be taken. I'm sure it'll come, and Rome wasn't built in a day. But it was built.

I said a couple. It can be done, because other teams do it, don't they? Or am I missing something? Of course, when I say good players I don't mean Segayro and Hardaker, your two perennial candidates for a return to the glory days.

I thought we were decent in the second half yes but more dogged and committed than good. So if you are below average, how do you beat an average side? Your original point indicated you should be beating a side like Wigan when the Leeds one isn't all that good either. We all want a return to the glory days but financial constraints and the rise of the NRL's millions makes it very difficult for now (And they still don't have a better WCC record despite all their posturing) Iv'e embraced the fact that without Wigan and Leeds in particular constantly churning out youth then rugby league would be dead in this country. The rest of SL needs to up it's game. Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Warrington are propping the game up in this country. The problem of 'average sides' (though i am quite happy) isn't the fault of Wigan or Leeds.

I agree mate.
I`m saying that you had some of your better players missing and were 14 nil down away and we blew it.
I don`t think we are that good but much better than we have been for several years.
Imo I didn`t think Wigan were top of their game but you deserved to win yet a moment of madness by Newman cost us.
You have some very good youngsters coming through once again.

You'd be missed mate. I lost my Dad earlier this year. He took me to Headingley for the first time when he was six and he finally gave up his season ticket a couple of years ago. Almost from game one ( Widnes at home) my glass was half full and his was half empty. We bickered incessantly about it all our lives. I always thought I was the fan and he was the carping misery guts, yet when Sinny lifted the championship in 2004 tears were running down his face. It meant everything to him. My point, if I have a point, is that people express their love/devotion in different ways, but that doesn't mean they don't want the same thing. I like to think that's true of this forum. Grumps and cheerleaders alike ultimately we all want Leeds to be the best. Clearly I''ve had a scotch too many and tomorrow I'll be tearing my hair out when somebody suggests Smith should be sacked, but tonight I'm feeling reasonable.

And all men are equal but some are more equal than others!

Lovely post

I'd say that for a fair period you were as good as you thought to be fair. Annoyingly..!

And while I'm here that's a fantastic post. My Dad died over 25 years ago but we were the same as you and your old man. Brought it right back for a minute. Cheers!

My dad was like the dad in Fever Pitch. I was all emotion and he was relentlessly logical. He even dared to say that the other team might have been better than Leeds when we got hammered. Sacrilege.

Fabulous post. Brought back memories of my father. He was always very respectful of the opponent and always said to me give credit where it’s due and enjoy watching the great sides as nothing lasts forever.

Hope Chris stays on here, he’s a great contributor

Something I don't think that's been mentioned but It did seem that there was a different approach with it being knock out rugby.

Great post