This current Saints side can only really be judged if they win something (not the LLS) IMO, its all very well sailing through the year like was in 2017 but if it comes to nothing then they can't be classed as a great side.

For me Cas are a mid table side, so I answered correctly. This Saints side wouldn't beat that Cas side. The fact they also ran away with the league in 2017 highlights my point, as you don't have to be anything special.

No way would any team of the last 5 years here, beat our 2005 team, not a chance.

Pure hypothesis. In other words it can't be proved.

Just checking - you think the Leeds '05 side is the best side in the last 25 years?

The 2017 Saints side (including the appalling KC coached version) did beat the 2017 Cas side, twice, let alone the 2019 version.

We were awful all that year but would have knocked them out of the play-offs but for giving away a ludicrous late penalty for shepherding then losing on golden point.

This Saints team is WAY better than that Saints team and also better than the 2017 Cas side (in my opinion of course). I think Cas lost five out of 30 that year, Saints have lost three so far, but two of those with deliberately weakened teams.

But none of that will count for anything if we don't pick up a trophy - we will just be another impressive Saints side that didn't fulfil its potential.

07 and o8 there was nothing really between the Leeds and Saints teams just saints won the wrong games not the final

'05 was the killer year for me. We topped the league with a great side but ended up in the play-offs with Wilkin and a very young Scott Moore in the halves after losing the likes of Long, Sculthorpe, Hooper and Darren Albert to injury at the wrong time. Even then we lost an incredibly close elimination final to the eventual winners the Bulls (and Jamie Lyon almost dragged us back into the Leeds semi single handed but no cigar).

That Saints side finished top of the league four years running with only one GF win to show for it - more than a bit painful; very similar to 2018 in many respects. And possibly 2019 god forbid.

Well said.

Massive pressure now on the Saints to win the GF
Winning the SL regular season by such a wide margin is impressive but it doesn't guarantee you will smoke the winners cigar on GF day

Sides currently well below them in the league table will be rubbing their hands together once the knock out footy starts as they know that this Saints side isn't as invincible as their league position indicates

I called Wigan winning the grand final a while back now. Saints can’t do finals.

They must be worried at the moment. To lose two grand finals in a row after being so dominant must be a daunting prospect

As I said the other day. They are far from world beaters.